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发表于 2012-4-19 23:22:07 | 只看该作者

re:[QUOTE][B]下面引用由[U]燕原...

下面引用由[U]燕原[/U]发表的内容:

美国贫富差距和中国有一拼?

也有可能啊,中国富人都移民了。


美国,中国, 印度 都是贫富差距很大的国家。 我感觉,印度〉中国=美国

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发表于 2012-4-19 23:33:52 | 只看该作者

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Redefining Autism: Will New DSM-5 Criteria for ASD Exclude Some People? [/ALIGN]
Experts call for small and easy changes to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual, the "bible" of psychiatry, so that everyone with autism spectrum disorder qualifies for a diagnosis

People have been arguing about autism for a long time—about what causes it, how to treat it and whether it qualifies as a mental disorder. The controversial idea that childhood vaccines trigger autism also persists, despite the fact that study after study has failed to find any evidence of such a link. Now, psychiatrists and members of the autistic community are embroiled in a more legitimate kerfuffle that centers on the definition of autism and how clinicians diagnose the disorder. The debate is not pointless semantics. In many cases, the type and number of symptoms clinicians look for when diagnosing autism determines how easy or difficult it is for autistic people to access medical, social and educational services.

The controversy remains front and center because the American Psychiatric Association (APA) has almost finished redefining autism, along with all other mental disorders, in an overhaul of a hefty tome dubbed the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM)—the essential reference guide that clinicians use when evaluating their patients. The newest edition of the manual, the DSM-5, is slated for publication in May 2013. Psychiatrists and parents have voiced concerns that the new definition of autism in the DSM-5 will exclude many people from both a diagnosis and state services that depend on a diagnosis.

The devilish confusion is in the details. When the APA publishes the DSM-5, people who have already met the criteria for autism in the current DSM-IV will not suddenly lose their current diagnosis as some parents have feared, nor will they lose state services. But several studies recently published in child psychiatry journals suggest that it will be more difficult for new generations of high-functioning autistic people to receive a diagnosis because the DSM-5 criteria are too strict. Together, the studies conclude that the major changes to the definition of autism in the DSM-5 are well grounded in research and that the new criteria are more accurate than the current DSM-IV criteria. But in its efforts to make diagnosis more accurate, the APA may have raised the bar for autism a little too high, neglecting autistic people whose symptoms are not as severe as others. The studies also point out, however, that minor tweaks to the DSM-5 criteria would make a big difference, bringing autistic people with milder symptoms or sets of symptoms that differ from classic autism back into the spectrum

A new chapter
Autism is a disorder in which a child's brain does not develop typically, and neurons form connections in unusual ways. The major features of autism are impaired social interaction and communication—such as delayed language development, avoiding eye-contact and difficulty making friends—as well as restricted and repetitive behavior, such as repeatedly making the same sound or intense fascination with a particular toy.

The DSM-5 subsumes autistic disorder, Asperger's disorder, childhood disintegrative disorder, and pervasive developmental disorder not otherwise specified (PDD-NOS)—which are all distinct disorders in DSM-IV—into one category called autism spectrum disorder (ASD). The idea is that these conditions have such similar symptoms that they do not belong in separate categories, but instead fall on the same continuum.

Essentially, to qualify for a diagnosis of autistic disorder in DSM-IV, a patient must show at least six of 12 symptoms, which are divided into three groups: deficits in social interaction; deficits in communication; and repetitive and restricted behaviors and interests. In contrast, the DSM-5 divides seven symptoms of ASD into two main groups: deficits in social communication and social interaction; and restricted, repetitive behaviors and interests. (For a closer look at the changes, read the companion piece: "Autism Is Not a Math Problem". You can also compare DSM-IV and DSM-5 criteria for autism on the APA's Web site.)

The APA collapsed the social interaction and communication groups from DSM-IV into one group in the new edition because research in the last decade has shown that the symptoms in these groups almost always appear together. Research and clinical experience has also established that heightened or dulled sensitivity to sensory experiences is a core feature of autism, which is why it appears in DSM-5 but not in the preceding version. The psychiatric community has generally applauded these changes to the criteria for ASD.

What is in question is how many of the DSM-5 criteria a patient must meet to receive a diagnosis—too many and the manual excludes autistic people with fewer or milder symptoms; too few and it assigns autism to people who don't have it. Since the 1980s the prevalence of autism has dramatically increased worldwide, especially in the U.S. where the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates that nine per 1,000 children have been diagnosed with ASD. Many psychiatrists agree that the increase is at least partially explained by loose criteria in DSM-IV.

"If the DSM-IV criteria are taken too literally, anybody in the world could qualify for Asperger's or PDD-NOS," says Catherine Lord, one of the members of the APA's DSM-5 Development Neurodevelopmental Disorders Work Group. "The specificity is terrible. We need to make sure the criteria are not pulling in kids who do not have these disorders."

Relaxed requirements
Three studies published between last summer and this month conclude that the DSM-5 criteria for ASD are too strict, but that a few small changes would make them appropriately inclusive. One might think that the APA would conduct such research themselves, but studies that explicitly compare DSM-IV and DSM-5 criteria are not an official part of the revision process. Rather, researchers who are not helping revamp the DSM, but were interested in how the new edition will change psychiatric diagnosis, decided to find out for themselves.

Marja-Leena Mattila of the University of Oulu in Finland conducted the only epidemiological study published so far that explicitly compared the two editions' criteria for autism. (Mattila used DSM-5 criteria posted to the DSM-5 Development Web site in February 2010; the criteria have the same basic structure as the new specifications posted in January 2011, but they are far less detailed and descriptive.) In her study, Mattila surveyed a sample of more than 5,000 Finnish schoolchildren and identified 26 eight-year-olds with an IQ of 50 or higher who qualified for autistic disorder in the DSM-IV. Of those 26, only 12 qualified for ASD in the DSM-5. But when Mattila lowered the threshold for ASD by requiring only two of the three symptoms in the social interaction and communication group, 25 of the 26 children qualified for ASD in the both the DSM-5 and its predecessor. Her work appears in the June 2011 issue of the Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry.

Similarly, Thomas Frazier of the Center for Autism at the Cleveland Clinic performed a series of statistical analyses on symptom reports from nearly 7,000 ASD children, looking for the symptoms that appeared together most frequently. When he programmed a computer to figure out what kind of diagnostic model best reflected the naturally occurring clusters of symptoms, Frazier found that a model with two groups of symptoms—just like the one in the DSM-5—captured how the symptoms clustered in the children better than the DSM-IV or any other model. He also found that the DSM-5 model misdiagnosed autism in only 3 percent of the children, whereas the DSM-IV model misdiagnosed autism in 14 percent. When Frazier relaxed the DSM-5 requirements from five out of seven criteria to four out of seven, he brought back about 12 percent of ASD children that the model originally neglected.

William Mandy of University College London also used statistical analyses to evaluate the DSM-5 criteria and concluded that the two-group DSM-5 model is overall more accurate than the three-group DSM-IV model, but a little too restrictive. Both Frazier's study and Mandy's study are published this month in the Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry.

"They got the major changes right," Mandy says of the APA. "But recent evidence shows that borderline people might miss out on a diagnosis in DSM-5 because they don't have clinical levels of some symptoms, such as repetitive behavior. The real issue is threshold." Not all psychiatrists agree that the stricter DSM-5 criteria should be relaxed, because they think that many people currently diagnosed with Asperger's or PDD-NOS do not in fact have autism and that the new definition of ASD should not include these people. Some parents of children with severe autism are also in favor of stricter criteria, arguing that children who are most in need should receive state services over others with milder symptoms.

Darrel Regier, vice chair of the DSM-5 Task Force, says that he is well aware of the recent studies and that the committee will consider whether they need to revise the DSM-5 criteria for ASD even further. The APA is supposed to finalize all changes to the DSM this year and publish the new edition in May 2013. When asked if he thinks the APA can adjust the revisions to criteria not only for ASD, but for all the other disorders in the DSM-5 by the end of this year, Regier says "there is plenty of time."

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发表于 2012-4-19 23:37:02 | 只看该作者

re:尹某让人恶心,缺乏对特殊孩子和他们家长的...

尹某让人恶心,缺乏对特殊孩子和他们家长的一点点同情和尊重。不过,就自闭症的谱系扩大化和过度诊断,她也有一定道理。

"If the DSM-IV criteria are taken too literally, anybody in the world could qualify for Asperger's or PDD-NOS," says Catherine Lord, one of the members of the APA's DSM-5 Development Neurodevelopmental Disorders Work Group. "The specificity is terrible. We need to make sure the criteria are not pulling in kids who do not have these disorders."

这话和尹关于自闭症过度诊断,标签乱贴,那一段还是有点类似的。当然了,尹由此走上了另一个极端,否认自闭症的事实,否认对孩子和家长的关爱。
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发表于 2012-4-19 23:43:11 | 只看该作者

re:[QUOTE][b]下面引用由[u]bo...

下面引用由boboyuyuan发表的内容:

美国,中国, 印度 都是贫富差距很大的国家。 我感觉,印度〉中国=美国


别感觉啊,基尼系数是有数据的。

美国贫富差距最大的根源是非法移民。
当然富人也很多,不过钱这个东西,到了一定程度就是数字了,所以太有钱的人,其实可以忽略。

印度的基尼系数低于美国,中国应当是高过红线的。
日本很低,美国在西方国家算高的,这和他们不是福利国家有关。



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发表于 2012-4-19 23:47:00 | 只看该作者

re:[QUOTE][B]下面引用由[U]燕原...

下面引用由[U]燕原[/U]发表的内容:


别感觉啊,基尼系数是有数据的。

美国贫富差距最大的根源是非法移民。
当然富人也很多,不过钱这个东西,到了一定程度就是数字了,所以太有钱的人,其实可以忽略。

印度的基尼系数低于美国,中...


印度的贫富差距应该比中国大吧。就我的了解?

算了,反正也不是社会论坛。
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发表于 2012-4-19 23:49:41 | 只看该作者

re:首先感谢天涯能利用网络资源来访谈自闭症的...

首先感谢天涯能利用网络资源来访谈自闭症的家长.
从尹的微薄放出后,就一直关注这个事情,因为很不幸,我就是一位自闭症孩子的父亲.我妈妈是一个25年教龄的幼儿教师,教过的孩子有好有坏,类似我儿子这样的也见过不少.所以我妈妈才能在第一时间注意到孩子的情况,并让我们早点认清了这个事实.尹的观点是非常不负责任的,等同于重新将冰箱妈妈的帽子给我们带上了.
她怎么能知道我们为了孩子付出了多少.并臆测我们是训练机构的牟利者,最可笑的是,对于名人 喜禾的爸爸 去舔人家屁股 "你不同于其他把孩子送到训练机构的家长,你是个好家长". 天可怜见,你能看看人家的微博再说话?你不看看喜禾现在在哪里? 对于她这又一次的睁眼说瞎话,请让我再一次鄙视她.
秋爸爸是我们圈子里有代表性的家长,坚强,睿智,有爱心,说实在的,我肯定是达不到他的那个程度.因为我经常会有带着孩子跳楼的想法,因为我不忍心让为他付出那么多的妈妈再痛苦,希望我能带着孩子结束. 但看到孩子天真可爱的脸庞,看到老婆依旧倾心为孩子的付出,我依然要好好的活着,好好的支撑起这个家庭.试问姓尹的砖家,为了孩子付出全部心血的家长,是故意给孩子带上自闭的帽子,让他来接收干预的?
从她上次对多动症的嘴炮,到这次喷自闭症(弱势群体)和家长,不难看出是为了她的新书来炒作,说实在的,这么赚钱的你不是第一个,但你肯定是遇到阻力最大的一个.用一句话来说,就是,因为我们是自闭症孩子的家长.
老婆累了一天陪孩子睡觉了,我在为工作上的项目看文档,在这将近半夜的时间,因为你撒的这把盐让我满心愤懑.遂找回这个尘封数年的账号,来喷一下你.
目前走势你就像郭同学一样,从一个反面给大众带来真理.所以,你要hold住.
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发表于 2012-4-20 14:37:55 | 只看该作者

re:天涯访谈的帖子一开,临时工的动静就小多了...

天涯访谈的帖子一开,临时工的动静就小多了,现在居然销声匿迹。。。

不知道是觉得大势已去,还是在积极准备下一轮疯狂的反咬~~
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发表于 2012-4-20 15:40:32 | 只看该作者

re:是不是天涯的影响大了,她们不想再张扬了?...

是不是天涯的影响大了,她们不想再张扬了?那就继续发天涯吧,打打落水狗。
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发表于 2012-4-20 15:50:56 | 只看该作者

re:小人还是要防的,不能大意的!得密切注意周...

小人还是要防的,不能大意的!得密切注意周日访谈和下周尹和田老师的对话,毕竟尹的背后还是有个利益链的。
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发表于 2012-4-20 16:00:27 | 只看该作者

re:尹和田老师对话?什么时间,在哪儿?

尹和田老师对话?什么时间,在哪儿?
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发表于 2012-4-20 16:05:57 | 只看该作者

re:天涯的访谈是分次进行的。这次是秋爸,接着...

天涯的访谈是分次进行的。这次是秋爸,接着是尹某人,接下去暂定是田惠平,再接下去准备找个医学界的。
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发表于 2012-4-20 16:24:52 | 只看该作者

re:我怎么没看到老秋的发言?

我怎么没看到老秋的发言?
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发表于 2012-4-20 16:34:57 | 只看该作者

re:现在是热身,正式访谈是周日下午。

现在是热身,正式访谈是周日下午。

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发表于 2012-4-20 16:35:16 | 只看该作者

re:[QUOTE][B]下面引用由[U]云鹤...

下面引用由[U]云鹤[/U]发表的内容:

我怎么没看到老秋的发言?


访谈时间:4月22日 周日 15:00—16:30
  访谈嘉宾:@秋歌秋语秋爸爸

因为主角还没上场啊。。都怪拉拉队太热乎,把参赛队员的风头都抢了。
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发表于 2012-4-20 16:42:04 | 只看该作者

re:实在好文。莲灿的博文:关于“孤独症这件事...

实在好文。莲灿的博文:关于“孤独症这件事”,我为什么反对尹建莉  http://t.cn/zOOYQLA

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发表于 2012-4-20 17:09:45 | 只看该作者

re:你看看现在的“家庭妇女”是好惹的吗?要理...

你看看现在的“家庭妇女”是好惹的吗?要理论有理论要分析有分析,把蒙氏理论的源头、优势和缺陷梳理得那叫一个清楚,还稍带介绍了其他的哲学、医学理论与实践,最后还给出了参考文献。啧啧,这头脑这功夫,真是。
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发表于 2012-4-20 17:14:21 | 只看该作者

re:哎,搞得我以后都不好意思自称“家庭妇女”...

哎,搞得我以后都不好意思自称“家庭妇女”了。
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发表于 2012-4-20 17:21:09 | 只看该作者

re:这个世道下,“教授”、“专家”、“博士”...

这个世道下,“教授”、“专家”、“博士”、、、这些头衔通常是用来招摇撞骗的。

“家庭妇女”、“IT小职员”、“扫地大妈”、、这些都是等同于金庸小说中的“扫地僧”的。看到这些ID写的东西,千万不要轻视,否则自取其辱的概率非常大!
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发表于 2012-4-20 17:28:21 | 只看该作者

re:天涯那边准备做一系列关于自闭症的活动,...

天涯那边准备做一系列关于自闭症的活动, 科普自闭症的知识。天涯希望我们可以给一些建议,提出一些侧重点。有兴趣的请加入QQ群 23001514
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发表于 2012-4-20 17:43:47 | 只看该作者

re:[QUOTE][B]下面引用由[U]书阳...

下面引用由[U]书阳妈妈[/U]发表的内容:

天涯那边准备做一系列关于自闭症的活动, 科普自闭症的知识。天涯希望我们可以给一些建议,提出一些侧重点。有兴趣的请加入QQ群 23001514


之前和燕原、wa、老秋在MSN的meeting上讨论天涯访谈的要点。我列出如下9项,供参考。做科普或许也可从这几个角度展开。

(1)自闭症、多动症是有确切的临床诊断标准的,是一种学界认可的精神疾患,而不是谎言。
(2)自闭症是先天的,冰箱妈妈理论早就被推翻。冰箱妈妈的理论不但否定了自闭症的本质,而且使得家长背负不必要的压力,并且无助于教育康复训练。
(3)自闭症的成因尚不明确,有一些假说。(这里可主要的假说提一提,让网友知道为什么会有这样的行为变异和情感障碍)
(4)自闭症需要漫长的干预,争取患儿根据自己的程度,达到切实的预后期望,这中间需要家庭和社会付出极大的努力。
(5)自闭症及谱系障碍的临床诊断量情况。
(6)自闭症的诊断不是靠生理指标的,而是靠外在行为评测的,因此的确有误诊的可能,特别是孩子低龄的时候,但误诊不意味着这个诊断本身是杜撰出来的。
(7)孩子的发展程度会有一个分布,也会有阶段性的差异,但自闭症谱系障碍的孩子具有的一些核心问题,是不可以用这样的理由来解释的。如果不重视、不干预,这些核心问题会随着孩子的年龄增长越来越差,而不是随着发育而缓解。同时,退一步讲,即便被误诊,给孩子施加合理的干预训练,并不会带来副作用,事实上这些教育训练对于其他发展障碍的孩子甚至正常孩子,也是适用的。
(8)因此,自闭症的诊断、干预教育是非常有专业性的,不是一般的早期教育理念可以覆盖的。国内这方面已经有些起步,但和发达国家相比,还有差距。
(9)呼吁社会给予自闭症更多的理解和支持。事实上国家也出台了一些政策(这时候要谈政治正确!)。列举民政部、中残联、地方政府的一些举措、政策支持。直接扇尹的耳光。因为她否定自闭症,就是认为国家政策是盲目的,这是不允许的。

以上是MSN上直接敲出来的,未必特别完整,不过基本覆盖了大众愿意关注的问题。仅供参考。
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