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艺术是我们可以送给孩子的最好礼物

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发表于 2009-11-5 12:25:07 | 只看该作者 回帖奖励 |正序浏览 |阅读模式
我的女儿9岁多,自从她开始学钢琴和绘画以后有了非常大的进步,交流,情绪,语言都有变化。
但每个孩子的情况都不一样,我只看到我的女儿和一部分小孩在这方面受益,艺术治疗和任何治疗训练的手段一样,一定不会对所有人都有作用。但谁也说不清哪块云彩会下雨,为了孩子各种手段都可以尝试一下。
对于我来说,孩子第一自己喜欢,第二确实有改善,所以我们会一直坚持下去。

在这儿开个贴,把日常孩子艺术治疗的情况,我的心得体会,困惑疑问放上来多和大家交流,请大家为我答疑解惑了。感谢!
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 楼主| 发表于 2010-1-7 21:17:44 | 只看该作者

第二课

上午杨老师来给我上课,还是很困扰于Bingo对她老人家的骚扰,其实狗的态度取决于人的态度,但,也很理解这种怕狗的心情,对我们不了解的东东谁都会心怀恐惧。

前一阵子好像忽然对手型有所领悟,今天老师也表扬了一下,还说可以开始练点克莱德曼,增加点趣味,克兄可是晴的最爱,我要是能弹上两首岂不是会令她对不懂音乐的妈妈刮目相看?为了晴,努力努力!
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 楼主| 发表于 2010-1-6 23:03:00 | 只看该作者

re:明天上午是我学琴的时间,但前日的大雪对交...

明天上午是我学琴的时间,但前日的大雪对交通依然很有影响,也不知道老师方便出门否。
对弹琴还真没有多大热情,但为了和孩子在音乐上能有更多的共鸣,就有一大无一大的学着。开始是一起学,但没多久就被甩在后面了,尤其是几乎两年没老师的日子里,晴的进展丝毫未停,我没人指导就干脆生生的又全忘了。这半年多又找到了特别好的老师,本想晴一节课我一节课一起学,可是爱乐的女儿每次都把时间全占了,足在钢琴前能坐满满一个半钟头,根本没有我学的机会;在家当她的面练琴也不行,嫌我弹的难听。
只好另请了一位上门的老师,专门在晴不在家时来教我,祝我自己早日开窍,也能弹出点陶醉自己的曲子。
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 楼主| 发表于 2010-1-6 00:07:00 | 只看该作者

艺术疗法(转)


什么是艺术疗法

  艺术疗法在国外已经发展成为一门成熟的心理治疗技术。它的特色是在当言语治疗出现极大阻抗时,能够透过个案的涂鸦作品、命题绘画和国际标准绘画测试等手段,将内心的困扰和症结呈现出来,绘画艺术疗法不仅应用范围广泛,而且对个案内心问题的探索较为深刻。作为一名治疗师,若将以绘画为介质的诊断与分析,与其他传统的心理治疗技术结合起来,能更迅速、准确的把握个案的问题,帮助来访者提高洞察力,尽快走出困境,实现自我整合。

  艺术治疗就是通过学习美术绘画、音乐舞蹈、黏土雕塑等表现形式的课程,达到治疗的目的。美国艺术治疗协会在20世纪80年代所下的定义:“艺术治疗提供了非语言的表达和沟通机会。艺术创作便是治疗,这种创作的过程可以缓和情绪上的冲突,有助于自我认识和自我成长。把学习艺术应用于心理治疗,则学生所生产的作品和关于作品的一些联想,对于维持个人内在世界与外在世界平衡一致的关系有极大的帮助。”
“艺术治疗就如艺术教育一般,可以讲授操作技巧与其使用材料的方法。艺术若被用于治疗中,那么治疗师就给个人的指示提供了自我表现、自我沟通和自我成长的机会,艺术治疗较关心的是个人内在经验而非最后的产品。在艺术治疗中,治疗的过程、方式、内容和联想变得非常重要,因为每一部分都反映出个人的人格发展、人格特征和潜意识。”

  

艺术疗法的理论取向

1 .心理分析取向

  心理分析取向治疗师遵循弗洛伊德和荣格的精神分析路线,把患者创作的艺术品看成是患者心理问题的表达,通过绘画艺术治疗揭示移情,回溯地处理患者过去发生的心理问题。

  艺术疗法创始人之一的Naumburg(1966)提出了以弗洛伊德的无意识理论为基础的“动力取向艺术疗法”。她认为患者无意识的心理问题可以通过“自发的”艺术表达出来,艺术可以表达压抑的冲动。患者对图像的洞察可以让无意识进入意识层面,患者一旦了解心理问题的所在,真正和持久的改变就可能发生。

  Kramer(2001)则强调弗洛伊德理论的“升华”概念。她认为艺术活动可以具有升华的作用,患者内部驱力可以通过艺术升华从而使其心理问题得到解决。她认为升华不是简单的心理行为,涉及到置换、符号化、驱力能量中性化、识别和整合等心理机制。

  Wilson的治疗方法基于“象征主义”概念。象征主义是“某个东西代表、象征、表示其他东西”。Wilson认为创作视觉意象,发展了符号能力,使得受损的符号功能得到恢复。他发现自我发育迟缓的儿童和大脑损伤的成人可以通过绘画发展符号能力,治疗师的工作是寻求患者绘画符号背后的意义。

  Robbins的方法以客体关系理论为基础,认为艺术形式提供了一个既非内心世界也非外部客观世界的空间,这个空间成为主观现实和客观现实的桥梁。

  Lachman-Chapin的治疗方法以Kohut的自我客体理论为基础。Kohut(1978)认为,具有自恋特征的患者承受着内部空虚感、缺乏自尊、在社会生活和性生活上存在困难,造成这些困难的主要原因是在生命头几个月里与看护者共情失败。Lachman-Chapin绘画艺术治疗中,这种共情反映是以绘画对话的形式进行。患者完成绘画后,治疗师依据患者绘画所表现出的需要水平,共情地用绘画作为回应。这为患者提供了体验最初经验的条件,个体以此能更为成功地参加到相互关系中。

  Edwards(2001)强调图像的意义和作用。他认为艺术品、患者和治疗师这个三角关系中,艺术品调节患者与治疗师的关系,在某种程度上治疗师与患者的每个关系都是间接的。自发性绘画揭示了人格中的另一面,是与意识自我相对抗的隐藏的人格方面。治疗师要告诉来访者图像有自己的生命,无论出现什么都是无可挑剔的。治疗师促进患者与图像进行对话,让他们学习信任个人的内部形象,整合人格中不被接纳的部分。

  

2. 人本主义取向

  治疗师尊重当事人的价值和尊严,接纳当事人的思想,创造有利于当事人自我成长的环境。通过绘画艺术治疗让当事人认识自我,自我接纳,自我整合。

  Natalie Rogers是来访者中心疗法创始人Carl Rogers的女儿,她在父亲的来访者中心思想基础上,结合表现性艺术方法,创立了“来访者中心表现性绘画艺术治疗”方法。她(2001)认为心理治疗过程唤醒了创造性的生命力能量,创造性与治疗是重叠的,有创造性就有治疗性。她的绘画艺术治疗是创造一种来访者中心的心理氛围,来访者用绘画、音乐、运动等形式体验和表现自己的情感,来访者通过表现性艺术这种沟通内部现实(inner truth)的语言得以进入无意识之中,发现自己内心迷失已久的亚人格部分。表现性艺术唤醒来访者的创造性,促进其情绪伤害的康复,解决内部心理冲突,超越自己的问题,采取建设性的行动,达到治疗的目的。

  Janie Rhyne以格式塔理论和格式塔疗法为基础提出绘画艺术治疗方法。格式塔疗法认为,每个人都能有效地处理个人问题,治疗师的中心任务是帮助来访者全面体验即时即景的存在。Rhyne(2001)的绘画艺术治疗要求来访者完成系列情绪经验(如恐惧、愤怒、快乐、悲伤等)抽象画。他认为这个系列是格式塔,每幅画是系列的一个部分,每幅画本身也是格式塔。完成绘画后,来访者描述、联想、解释这些画,比较这些画的相似和区别之处,用语言表达对图形的认知和所认识到的模式。来访者逐渐意识到是什么妨碍了现在的情感和体验,受到鼓励去体验和与过去“未完成的事务”(unfinished business)的斗争。来访者将逐渐拓展他们的知晓水平,整合人格中的碎片和过去不知道的部分。

  Mala Betensky的治疗方法以现象学理论为基础。他强调艺术创作在整合个体主观经验的重要作用。Bentensky认为来访者完成作品后观看自己的艺术作品,作者变成旁观者,艺术表现和主观经验之间得到沟通与整合。来访者学习以新的方式看待自己内部与外部的现象,为来访者的改变提供了可能。

  

3.心理-教育取向

  行为绘画艺术治疗方法,用来处理情绪扰乱和心智发育迟滞的儿童。比较有影响的行为治疗技术是治疗师Roth提出的“现实成形”技术,首先确认儿童的艺术品中所传递的蹩脚概念(如房子、树、人),然后建造逐渐复杂的二维或三维模型,儿童在观察的基础上进行绘画。治疗师给予言语提示或身体指导,对正确的动作进行正强化。

  认知行为绘画艺术治疗方法一般是在绘画艺术治疗中结合认知行为技术(CBT)来进行治疗。Rosal、Ackerman和Johnson(1994)应用艺术疗法与CBT处理具有心理残障的男性性侵害者。他们用艺术材料创造社会环境。一旦环境建立,导致攻击行为的活动模式被引出、记录、讨论和纠正。当适应不良的行为出现时,患者被要求确定问题互动的前兆,讨论可替换的行为模式,试图练习新的行为模式。Gentile(1997)应用CBT/绘画艺术治疗程序治疗具有饮食障碍的妇女。通过创作艺术,这些个体能够获得内部的控制感,这意味着她们不必控制饮食来体验个人力量感。她发现获得对个人需要的控制导致内部控制感的提升。Motto(1997)在艺术疗法中使用系统脱敏方法处理有紧张情绪的饮食障碍患者。她让患者在威胁最低的情绪状态下进行绘画,在绘画中表现威胁性更大一些的情感和应对这些情感的方法。她发现绘画艺术治疗有助于实现认知行为治疗的目标,如挑战不合理信念、获得掌控和控制,获得积极内部强化。

  发展性绘画艺术治疗方法依据儿童心理发展理论,对心理发育迟滞或身体障碍所致发展落后儿童进行绘画艺术干预,以促进患者认知、情绪机能的发展。不同发展阶段儿童干预的主要任务不同。依据皮亚杰的认知发展理论,采用艺术活动形式促进听力损害、学习失能、认知损伤患者的认知发展。她的绘画艺术治疗主要干预儿童的顺序概念、空间概念和概念形成的认知技能。Silver通过油画着色变化发展顺序概念,通过观察绘画发展空间概念,通过刺激的绘画发展分类概念和想象能力,通过粘土模型发展空间、顺序和类别概念。

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 楼主| 发表于 2010-1-4 02:28:03 | 只看该作者

一位朋友的信,同为母亲,感动

尊敬的校领导:
    我是你校0802工艺系tony的家长,2009年即将过去,在同学们满怀喜悦收获知识的同时,作为家长的我也在收获着许多的感动,这感动来自于高素质的教师队伍,来自于叫领导的正确领导。
tony 的确是个与众不同的孩子,他虽有自闭障碍,但他是幸运的,他受到了社会各界好心人的帮助,这当中有教育专家,心理学家,大学生志愿者和一些不认识的好心人,在他们的帮助下他有了巨大的进步,正在康复之中,由于他的努力,十几年来他不但以优异的成绩完成了九年义务教育,还获得了朝阳区中小学教师硬笔书法比赛三等奖,绘画优秀奖;还在学校的组织的各种英语比赛中多次获奖。自入本校以来,当我把他的特殊情况向班主任说明后,得到了班主任隋楠的极大重视,凭着他的教育功底,一方面他告诉我一些教育方法,另一方面他在班里引导同学理解他,还让他和一些品学兼优的学生坐在一起和他交流,他的许多不自然的动作,和说话语气不足的声音,同学们慢慢接受了,他自己也在慢慢的纠正。一年多来他和同学们一起值周,做值日,在同学的帮助下,处理身边的各种信息,该交的钱,和该退回来的钱,他都能够做的很好,尤其是今年新换的张强班主任主动找邱少正沟通,开始邱少正不敢跟他说话,在老师多次的引导下,他终于喜欢老师了,他不但不害怕了,还能够和老师很好的沟通,语言表达准确,用词恰当,逻辑思维清楚,我深深的佩服老师的高超的沟通技巧。而更让我感动的是本校那些默默耕耘,辛勤劳作的各科任老师们,他们不但把tony当做正常的孩子对待,给他信心,还因材施教主动的帮助和鼓励他做他能做的和经够努力能够做到,并经常给我一些如何教他技术上的支持。没有忘记,讲专业课的岳鹏老师和高老师特别耐心地叫他画好每一张画,上好每一次课,同时给他鼓励。画中间画难度比较大,高老师就不厌其烦地叫他,单独训练他,给他留家庭作业,进行指导,真是费了不少心血!不能忘记,选修编织课的李筝老师课上他编不好,就再给他编一个样子让他带回家练增加了他的编制兴趣。不能忘记,在学习计算机基础课时课时他学得较慢,朱老师就耐心的教他。当学插画时刘萍老师不怕麻烦一遍一遍的教他,为了让它更好地掌握这门功课放学了他还在教室里给他考资料回家让他练习,吃饭的时间过了他只好啃方便面,当在家里遇到学习问题打电话给老师是他总是耐心心的给与解答,为此我不好意思的向老师道歉打扰她时,老师说,“我的手机随时开着,什么时候问都可以”这一句话让我久久难忘,她让我感到了什么是奉献。不能忘记,每当我打开tony的作业本,看到的是一个个“好”字。我知道了语文课的林老师在用他的微笑,用他的鼓励的眼神,时刻在关注着他,这是心灵的沟通,不管老师留什么作业他都能认真完成,给他学好语文这门课怎加了信心。不能忘记,数学黄艳茹老师,不但耐心的教他,而且更深入的引导他学好数学,培养他主动思维的能力,现在他已经脱离我们家长的辅导,有问题问老师,主动学习,在家里自己解决学习中的问题,我深深的知道这一进步里面包含了老师太多太多的辛劳,更包含了太多太多的理解,我由衷的佩服老师的敬业精神。不能忘记,教英语课的陈开宇老师和英语选修课的程辉老师更是关爱有佳,不但尽到了一个教育工作者的责任,更像他的一位知心朋友,理解他,鼓励他做好每一次作业,特别是陈开宇老师,不但课上教他,下课还要给他批改英语日记,自入学以来英语水平有了极大的提高,因为我们家长的英语水平有限,不能辅导他,在老师的引导下,自己复习和预习英语,独力自主学习的能力大大提高,在一次校外的英语角活动中,他竟能和一位外交老师进行了长达半个小时的英语对话,这足以证明有耕耘就有收获,有爱就有奇迹。不能忘记教过他体育课的王老师尽他所能培养他的运动兴趣,上好每节课。现在教他体育课的兰老师更是尽职尽责,不抛弃不放弃,引导同学们和他踢足球 打乒乓球。不能忘记,政治课上兰老师讲的人生哲学每一课的笔记他都记得仔细认真,从老师的眼神里他坚定了要做一个对社会有用的人,自尊,自爱,自强,自信,在他的脑海里深深的扎下了根。更不能忘记,今年上半年学校给每位年满18岁的学生家长发了一封信,要求学生写18岁宣言,按要求他写了18岁宣言,为了教育他我也给她写了成人寄予,虽然学校没收,为了约束自己,他把18岁宣言发表在了自己的博客里。

tony的进步,说明了知识能改变人,教育是根本,有爱就有奇迹,这都得益于校领导的正确领导,得益于高素质的教师队伍,在此我向校领导和老师表示衷心的感谢!谢谢你们,辛勤的园丁!在今后的学习中tony不但需要据需得到老师的帮助,还需要周围同学的关注,当然这需要老师的进一步引导,从而提高他的沟通和表达能力。作为家长的我一定做好家庭教育工作。在元旦钟声即将敲响的时刻,我衷心的祝福校领导和老师们,元旦快乐,全家幸福!

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 楼主| 发表于 2009-12-22 16:17:52 | 只看该作者

老师说当个作曲家可费脑子了

每周一下午都是钢琴课,今天也不例外,要过圣诞节了,我们带着给侯老师,谢老师和小朋友的礼物来到天使艺术爱乐中心,老师们收下礼物非常开心,还让我在圣诞袜子里摸奖品,我一下子就抓出来3支铅笔,真厉害呀!然后我从里面选出了一支最漂亮的彩色条纹铅笔交给妈妈帮我保存。

妈妈因为要打几个电话,没有陪我一起,我表现的非常好,侯老师一直表扬我,1个半小时的课,我都能坐得住而且和老师配合得很默契,特别是24个大小调中我已经掌握了全部大调和一部分小调,老师说这是我的本能,是种天分,妈妈听了乐得不行,我却是泰然处之,因为我是有大智慧的人,才不会为这种小事大惊小怪呢!

后来侯老师建议我长大些可以学作曲,妈妈和老师聊了1个多钟头,真是个热心的好老师,我和姐姐画画等着妈妈,后来我有点坐不住了,就跑到外面的苏宁电器参观了一下,回来以后我干了件淘气事儿,把贴在门上的音符给撕坏了,妈妈让我给老师道歉,还答应老师下次来时给老师买个新的作为赔偿,花的钱从我零花钱里扣,我全同意了,但似懂非懂,等我再长大点吧,我知道妈妈是想让我懂得为自己的行为负责,承担后果,能做到这一点是很不简单的!
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-12-19 00:42:15 | 只看该作者

re:[QUOTE][B]下面引用由[U]伊依...

下面引用由[U]伊依[/U]发表的内容:

长沙有没有作特教的好艺术老师可推荐呢?谢谢



不好意思, 目前没有这方面的信息, 祝尽早找到合适的老师
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-12-19 00:40:26 | 只看该作者

如何培养孩子的艺术感

转自 http://www.sina.com.cn   扬子晚报

  我们常常鼓励孩子们进行创造、涂色、画画和建造。当然这些活动可以激励和帮助他们增进创造力和艺术才能。然而,当孩子们骄傲地把他们的杰作展示给你们看后,你会如何存放呢?当他们的作品尤其是艺术作品日益增多的时候,你又该怎么办呢?

  不妨来参考一下我们给你的7个建议吧!

  1、留下最棒的。与其让你的孩子保留他创作的每一件作品,不如与他好好谈谈,建立一个基本的保留作品的规则,让他每隔一段时间选择1—2件他最喜欢的作品保留下来。到了年底,他所保留的“最佳”作品不会超过5件。

  2、拍照留念。整理和收藏一件件作品是一件繁琐的事情,与其让它们占用你太多的空间,倒不如拍下它们,并且把这些照片统一收藏在剪贴簿中,给每张照片加些注解和纪录。这样,即使有些作品由于空间的因素丢失或被抛弃,你也仍将拥有另一份美好的回忆!

  3、儿童文件存贮盒。办公室提供存贮的设备中往往有一个放文件的架子,你可以很方便地将文件夹存放其中,便于拿取文件。你也可以帮助你的孩子建立一个他自己的存贮系统。可以在一个文件夹存放2岁的作品,另一个存放3岁的,等等。现在,所有的作品都将被很好的、有序地保存,你的孩子甚至还能学到整理的技巧。

  4、归于一处。对于那些不是画在地上、墙上的作品,最好的容器就是一个很大的、有盖子的塑料容器。同样的,这当然也要经过选择——如果你要保留未来15年内孩子带回家的每一件作品,那么你的房子将泛滥成灾。

  5、好作品,挂起来。为孩子的作品专门准备一块告示板,这样他就可以在自己的卧室里展示他心爱的作品了。

  6、整齐有序的“工具箱”。如果你的孩子在家里做了很多的艺术作品,那么他可能拥有许多蜡笔、记号笔或其他的艺术创作材料,而这些工具就需要一个统一存放的地方。将它们都放在一个便携的盒子里,盒子要轻巧,可以使孩子随心所欲地把它从一个房间带到另一个房间。除此之外,在把这些材料放入盒子之前,最好将它们归归类,并整理到不同的有拉链封口的袋子中。这不仅使得每件工具都整齐有序,更重要的是让它们在被需要的时候可以很容易找到。

  7、最好的礼物。有没有发现?其实孩子的艺术作品是给亲朋好友的最好礼物。与其为了你的孩子给你的家庭成员买礼物,不如鼓励他们把自己的作品作为一份特别的礼物送给那些特别的人,这对他来说将是最棒的认可和鼓励。
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发表于 2009-12-14 15:35:24 | 只看该作者

re:长沙有没有作特教的好艺术老师可推荐呢?谢...

长沙有没有作特教的好艺术老师可推荐呢?谢谢
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-12-3 13:12:51 | 只看该作者

今天是世界残疾人日

1992年10月14日,联合国第47届大会通过决议,确定每年12月3日为“国际残疾人日”,决议要求世界各国政府和有关组织采取更积极和广泛的行动与措施,以求实现“联合国残疾人十年”和《关于残疾人和世界行动纲领》的改善残疾人的处境,以期建立一个“人人共享的社会”。联合国的这一决议是在该届联大就残疾人问题举行两天特别会议后作出的。特别会议审议了1992年结束的“联合国残疾人十年”活动和联合国《关于残疾人的世界行动纲领》的执行情况。中国代表团特别顾问、中国残联主席邓朴方出席会议并发表讲话。同年12月3日,正值亚太经济社会理事会发动亚太残疾人十年会议在京召开。数百名中外残疾人和会议代表举行联欢共同欢度第一个“国际残疾人日”。“国际残疾人日”的确立,说明在世界范围内,残疾人事业日益引起广泛关注,不同种族的人们都开始形成一个共识,残疾人事业是人道主义的事业,是一项崇高而又光荣的事业,是人类进步和正义的事业。?
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-12-1 13:44:05 | 只看该作者

昨天学琴,老师又表扬了

女儿学琴又遭到表扬,老师说孩子对24个大小调的反应是种本能,非常快,很高兴。
学完了又画画,因为这几天没保姆,我急着回家做饭,崔了她几句,就跟我急了,真是虎头蛇尾。这脾气还得改才行
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-12-1 10:06:18 | 只看该作者

re:哈,楼上的把广告发到这儿实在有点大脑进水...

哈,楼上的把广告发到这儿实在有点大脑进水,很搞不灵清我们是群什么人,请斑竹把他删掉封掉吧
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-11-26 09:41:11 | 只看该作者

re:感谢daluobo鼓励。在这个网站里看到...

感谢daluobo鼓励。在这个网站里看到不少孩子学琴学画儿的,都挺棒!还有大量的对孩子的养育教育方法,总能学到很多有益的经验,真好。
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re:谢谢雨过天晴开的这个帖子,前一段时间我花...

谢谢雨过天晴开的这个帖子,前一段时间我花了很长时间看你的博客,你的博文很独特,也看了你对晴宝宝在学校的记录,让我非常感叹你的用心.关于"为什么说弹琴时的手型最不重要",正中我意,因为一直以来我都在纠正孩子的手型,苦于不得法.看到你的帖子,我不再去苦苦纠正了,让孩子慢慢在练琴的过程中去领悟吧.

很惊叹晴宝宝的音乐和绘画天分,因为一直在考虑方老师给我提的建议,所以最近我也很关注如何培养孩子的特长这方面的信息.

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 楼主| 发表于 2009-11-25 12:31:40 | 只看该作者

为什么说弹琴时的手型最不重要

技巧永远是为要表达的内容服务的, 甚至是为表达的形式服务的。如果练琴是以技巧作为目的话就本末倒置了。

学琴最初也很为女儿张牙舞爪的手型苦恼,在勉强“纠正”时更让孩子一起苦恼。其实所谓“正确”手型,并不是某位大师规定出来的,而是一代代从业者在实践中体验出来的最舒服最适合操作的方式,这是一个自然的过程,也是每个学琴的孩子同样可以在实践中逐步体验出来的-----如果我们能给孩子自己体验的机会。

孩子经历过4位老师,大家对手型各有说法,最多的是握鸡蛋,还有嫌鸡蛋小的提议握膝盖,握的东东不同,但宗旨相同,都得握点儿什么。带孩子学过琴的或自己学过的人一定都听过类似的指导。目前的H老师,最独特,她认为什么都不用握,只要放松就好; 她示范了一下台步----就像我们在散步时,手自然的下垂甩动和微屈的样子就是最好的手型。实践后感觉她说的最有道理。因为我和孩子一起学,虽然琴的弹奏没法和孩子比,但理论上是可以理解的;H老师的话我最初毫无体会,但弹了一段时间真正放松后手指也不支棱也不抖了,手很自然变好看了,觉得的确是这么回事。

由于好的手型本身就是一种最自然和放松的手的天然的姿态,是可以和钢琴本身配合的最好的姿态,所以弹奏一段时间后,演奏者一定会自己找到这个最适当的姿势,但前提一定是放松和享受的心态下才可以。

由于孩子很倔强,手型最初的纠正未果,我们也就随她去了,结果歪打正着,弹到现在孩子自己逐步体会,目前的手型已经很好,123指的独立性也不错,45指差些,也够了。

我们中国的古语“顺势而为”也就是这个意思吧。

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 楼主| 发表于 2009-11-22 22:15:44 | 只看该作者

晴宝宝开始自己配左手的伴奏了

因为晴宝宝对所谓大曲子的学习都是靠听MP4"玩儿"出来的, 所以她左手相比右手弱很多,右手的主旋律记忆很好,但左手的伴奏几乎没有,左手仅仅是右手的补充,乐曲听起来就相对单调.H老师开始时计划从她最喜欢的几首曲子(土耳其进行曲,梦中的婚礼等)入手,一点点把左手加上,每次哪怕就扣一小节.但实行起来,晴宝宝完全不吃这套.我们的孩子是强迫不来的.而且一节节的来弹奏乐曲就失掉了它的整体的旋律性了。但可爱的H老师非常能动脑筋,她又想了个新办法,每次女儿弹琴时老师就用左手给她伴奏,让孩子自己体会加伴奏之后乐曲的美妙之处,果然女儿配合得很好,这样过了3次课, 晴晴开始自己给曲子加伴奏了,虽然还不连贯,而且影响了右手的熟练程度,但女儿从中体会到了乐趣,相信再过几次课,晴宝宝的左手一定会有质的改变。
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-11-22 21:47:50 | 只看该作者

re:看了秋实的帖子,更觉得孩子有一件自己热爱...

看了秋实的帖子,更觉得孩子有一件自己热爱的事情可以做很重要,也许此事与日后的生存和独立生活无关, 但绝对与生命的质量有关.
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 楼主| 发表于 2009-11-21 20:53:01 | 只看该作者

美国的中国妈妈谈自闭症三

Cow,
Thanks. Yes, 他快乐就挺好。 

But he is still young and I am still trying to help him as much as I can. Do not even imagine that he will be completely "normal", but hope that he can make a living in this world.
We do not push him much, that's school's job. We just give him a lot of love and patience. Home is the place he can just relax.
I have a few questions, if you do not mind. Since your nephew is older than my son, and he progress well, I'd like to learn what kind of therapy has he been on and if they are effective. My son has speech, OT, PT at school and I put him in a social play group therapy for a while too. The social play group doesn't help much, so I stopped it. I still wonder if something out there can help him more.
I do think that music has helped him in some ways that I can't explain. Like after he went to the park to play, came home could not tell me what he played, but wrote a piece "At the Park". After the "Nut Craker" show, couldn't tell me that he enjoy the show, but wrote a piece "Scarf Dance", since there was a real good dance--two women with huge scarfs.
You mentioned use all the resource---besides school, where else can I get more help? If your sister-in-law can give me some idea, I will be very thankful.

但他还那么小,我仍然在尽我所能地帮助他。我不敢想他能完全“正常”,但希望他能在这个世界上生存。
我们并不过多“推动”他什么,那是学校的工作。我们只是给他爱和耐心,家就是个他可以彻底放松下来的地方。
如果你不介意,我问几个问题。由于您的侄子年纪比我儿子大,且进步很大,我想了解他接受过什么样的治疗?疗效如何?我的儿子在学校作讲话/OT?/ PT治疗,我还带他参加了一段时间的社会群体治疗,但感觉没有多大作用,所以我就停了。我真不知道除了学校还有哪里可以帮助他。
音乐以某种方式对孩子很有帮助,但我无法解释原因。比如他游园归来,回家后没有办法告诉我他玩儿了什么,但却写了一首名为“在公园”的曲子;再比如欣赏过“胡桃夹子”,他不能告诉我他喜欢这样的节目,但是写了一首“丝巾舞”,因为真的有一场两位披着大丝巾的美女表演很棒的舞蹈。
你提到要利用所有的资源---除了学校,我可以从哪里得到更多的帮助呢?如果你的嫂子可以给我一些建议,我会很感激。

Suggest you try to social with families with kids at your son's age more, organize some activities with other families such as camping, going to the museum, fishing, swimming, skiing, traveling etc. Good Luck with your son!!   

建议您尝试与你儿子的同龄孩子家庭多交往,组织一些与其他家庭一起的活动如露营,去博物馆,钓鱼,游泳,滑雪,旅游等,祝你儿子好运!

  Re: 家有自闭儿  
ShuiTian,
I will try that. He likes swimming and we do travel a lot. But I haven't try fishing and hiking yet. Will try these when the weather getting warm.
我会尽力一试的。他喜欢游泳, 我们也经常旅游。但是我还没钓鱼及远足。等天气暖和了再说。

Re: 家有自闭儿  
Asked my sister-in-law, my nephew didn't have any therapy, just the mom did a lot work. She quitted her job since he was 1. Then they had 2 more children (8 yrs girl and 5 yrs boy).
When my nephew was young he was the darling of the family because he hardly ever cries, an easy and happy boy. He was very cute. Imaging a 3-year-old boy read book aloud by himself. My family has different opinions about how to bring him up. My other sister-in-law 2 and my mother-in-law think SIL 1 made too much fuss about the boy. The more you remind him he is different from other kids the more he would act differently. My SIL 1 disagrees. Now she takes him to whatever classes he's interested in even though it's an adult class such as cooking courses. He also takes drama and singing courses. In school he is in gifted program. Academically, he is way ahead of other kids in his age.
I used to be his favorite aunt. So every time I call the family, I would talk to him for a few minutes. I can talk to him just about anything including international politics. Some times I even had to prepare a bit before I pick up the phone.
Some scientists say autism is genetics, other say it's caused by trauma at birth. I believe more on the genetic side. My own son was very slow to talk. He had speech therapy. But he is very good with math.
问过我嫂子,我的侄子没有做任何治疗,只是妈妈做了大量工作。孩子一岁时她辞了职,然后,他们又生了两个孩子(8岁5岁的女孩和男孩)。当我的侄子还小时,他是家里的乖宝贝,因为他几乎没有哭过,又放松又快乐,可爱极了――――想像一下才3岁的男孩大声朗读的样子。我家对于如何养育他有截然不同的意见。我的另一位兄弟媳妇和我的婆婆觉得大媳妇对男孩的反应过于大惊小怪。你越提醒他的与众不同,他越是会有“不同”的行为。但大嫂不同意,现在她带他到任何他感兴趣的地方玩儿即使是参加成人学习班,比如烹饪课;他还曾经戏剧和歌唱课程。在学校,他是天才“班”的,学问方面,他远超过其他的同龄孩子。

我曾经是他最喜爱的姨妈。所以每一次我往家里打电话时都会和他聊上几分钟。我可以跟他任何谈论任何东西,包括国际政治。有时候我在电话前甚至要先做点功课才成。有些科学家说,自闭症是遗传的,另一些则认为这是由出生时的外伤引起。我相信,在遗传方面因素更多些,我自己的儿子说话也发展很慢,他在做言语治疗,但他的数学也非常好。

岩雨,
Thank you very much for your detailed explanations. My little boy's hearing is normal. He actually acts very much like what you described about your son (both fronts). The early intervention program specialist recommended Speech, Occupational and Physicscal therapies too. Further uation elimilated OT and PT. Later, the school district provided him with Speech and OT. They prefer the kids in the IEPs to receive as many kinds of services as they could provide and get fund for. I rarely heard anyone who took their kids for uations not qualified for an IEP.
After reading your newest posts and that of ChangShan's, I'm wondering what were the criteriers doctors used to diagnose your son or ChangShan's nephew with HFAC. I only can see that your son has weakness in interpersonal communications while he is very strong in music, math and reading. But he is only seven. He would catch up in that area when he is ready. I agree with a few friends in this thread that parents don't make too big of deals about their child's weakness. He needs confidence in socializing with other kids. In your examples, he could say like "my zipper" or "want sleepover", that would be sort of acceptable for his age factoring in a couple years of delay. My goal is to encourge my little boy to say short phases like that. Once he can master that, I think it is just a matter of time that he will catch up in this area. I do think it is up to us to simplify their "talking" tasks so that they gain their confidence in communicating.
非常感谢您的详细解释。我的小男孩的听力是正常的。事实上,他的行为很符合你对你的儿子的描述。早期干预计划专家建议对他进行语言治疗和理疗,并做进一步的评估。后来,学区提供了语音训练和理疗。但他们宁愿选择合乎全国教育计划的孩子,尽可能地多接收并提供多方面的服务,因为他们可以籍此获得基金支持。我很少听到有谁带孩子评估后的结果是不符合IEP的。

读过您和常山的新贴,我想知道医生用于诊断你的儿子和常山侄子为高功能自闭症的标准是什么。我只看到你的儿子在人际沟通有些弱点,但他在音乐,数学和阅读方面很强。他才7岁,当他准备好的时候他一定会迎头赶上的。我同意这一主题中几个朋友的看法――――家长不要对自己孩子的弱点过于焦虑,孩子更需要的是与其他孩子做社会交往时的信心。在您的例子里,孩子能说“我的拉链”或“希望借宿”,在此年龄有几年的语言迟滞是可接受的。我的目标就是鼓励我的小男孩说这样短语,一旦他能掌握之后,语言就只是一个时间问题了,他一定可以在这一领域赶上大家。我认为需要靠我们家长来简化他们的“会说话”的任务,以使他们在沟通方面获得信心。

By the way, don't quit your job unless you also have other kids need to take care at home. Can you sign him up for the regular after-school kids program? That might be good for him. The reason that I put my little one in regular preschool (paying full tuition) instead of IEP preschool was that I think/hope the classroom enviroment would benefit him.
Thanks for information on "hyperlexia". There is another one called "dyslexia". They are in the same category, right? I'll do some research on this and get back with you later.

顺便说一下,不要放弃自己的工作,除非你还需要在家照顾其他的孩子。你能否让他参加“课后儿童计划” ?这也许对他有益。我之所以把我小孩放在普通学前班(支付全额学费)而不是特殊IEP班,是由于我认为并希望(普通)教学环境更有利于他的发展。
谢谢提供有关“阅读症候群”的信息,还有另外一个名词“阅读障碍”,这两是同一概念对吗?我会做一些有关这一问题的研究,稍后再回来与您探讨。

Re: 家有自闭儿  
bluwave,
don’t worry about your son. My friend, now a very social and intelligent gay, told me that he began to speak at about 5 years old. Before 5 he did not speak one word. He got Ph.D. and works at a university now.

His son`s IQ score is surprisingly high( I can not remember the number), but there is problem for his son to play with other children. At school his son (9years old) can not behavior normally, e.g. does not sit in the classroom quietly, instead, he would go around; in a large conference, his son went to the lecturer and took up the microphone to speak sth.
His wife also quit her job.
不要担心你的儿子。我的一个非常聪明的非常善于社交的朋友,5岁才开始说话。5岁前他一个字都不会讲。现在他获得博士学位并在大学工作了。

他的儿子智商出奇地高(我不记得具体数了),但仍存在与其他孩子交往的问题,。他的儿子在学校(九年岁)的行为异常,例如不是静静地坐在教室里,却到处转悠,在一个大型会议上,他的儿子走到讲师处,拿起话筒开始发言。他的妻子也辞掉了工作。

changshan,
Thanks for your info. Your nephew is really a smart boy.
When my nephew was young he was the darling of the family because he hardly ever cries, an easy and happy boy. He was very cute. Imaging a 3-year-old boy read book aloud by himself.
My son is the same way, hardly ever cry, easy going and happy.
In school he is in gifted program. Academically, he is way ahead of other kids in his age.
That's great. How does he deal with others? Does he have friends in his own age group?
My own son was very slow to talk. He had speech therapy. But he is very good with math.
How old is your son? I know a few adult who had speesh therapy when they were young and now they are very good with languange (also very smart).
感谢您的信息。您的侄子实在是一个聪明的男孩。

我的儿子一样,几乎从来不哭,随和又快乐。你侄子(学习)很棒,他是如何处理与他人的关系的?他是否有同龄的朋友?

你的儿子几岁了?我知道有几位成年人,在儿时也接受过语言治疗,但现在都是能说会道滴(也很聪明的)。

bluewave,
If your son's hearing is normal, the speech will catch up evtually. Some boys talks later than others. It is good that you kept engaging him in short phases. Also, he is still very young.
My son can speak sentances, and is getting to the point that he can answer something concreate. For example, he told me "I don't want that pants", I ask "why? You wear it last time." He said: "it hurts me." I ask "what hurts you? Where does it hurts you?" He will say: "The zipper." I will ask "where, which zipper?" (his pants has many zippers). He pointed at the leg (not the pants) said "right here, right here." I checked the pants, along the zipper there is a shape piece. (His pants can be converted to shorts). I was so happy that day, since this is the first time he can tell me something bothers him.
He will say things like: "mommy, come away!" really, he wants me to go away, since he doesn't want people look over his shoulder when he is on the computer.
I always try to reason with him, but for a long time, I do not know if he gets the reasoning. But now, I know that he gets it since he started asking questions and argue with us, like "why ALL the human have to sleep, not just SOME of the human?", or "I really do not want to go to bed, do I have to?"
Since he doesn't watch TV and doesn't play games, doesn't play any sports, he doesn't know how to play with other kids. He can't even play rough or wrestling with other kids, since he is tall and big. Sometime, other kids try to play wrestling with him and they always end up on the floor. So most of the time, my son just hold his own hand in front of himself and let others push him around (if he push back just a little, the other kids will be falling down easily. [he is at least a head taller than his classmates. He has been sent to the principle's office for that, and he can't defend himself.)
如果你的儿子的听力正常,语言一定会最终赶上。有些男孩子就是“语迟”,你鼓励他说短语特别好,而且他还小呢。
我的儿子能讲整句,重要的一点是他能回答实际的问题。例如,他告诉我:“我不想穿那条裤子”,我问:“为什么?上次你还穿来着。”他说:“它弄伤我了。”我问:“什么东东伤你了?伤在哪里?”他会说:“拉链”。我会问:“在哪里?哪条拉链?” (他的裤子有许多拉链)。他指着腿(不是短裤)说:“就在这里,就在这里。”我检查裤子拉链,发现一条拉链上有一处很尖锐。(他的裤子可以转换为短裤)。那一天我非常高兴,因为这是他第一次说出了他的困扰。
他会这样说:“妈妈,走吧!”实际上他希望我离开,因为他不喜欢玩儿计算机时别人和他一起看。我总是试图找(不走)的理由,但很长一段时间,我不知道是否理解。但现在,我知道他能够明白了,因为他开始提问题并与我们争论,比如“为什么所有的人都得睡觉,而不是一部份人?”,或“我真的不想去睡觉,我非得去睡吗?“
由于他不看电视,不玩游戏,不做任何运动,他不知道如何与其他孩子玩。他甚至不会玩儿摔跤,因为他很高大。有时,别的孩子尝试与他玩摔跤,他们最终总是倒在地上。因此,在大多数时间,我的儿子只是举起手,让别人推他,如果他稍一用力,其他孩子会很容易跌倒(他长得至少比他的同学高1头)。为此他曾被送到校长室,可他根本不会为自己辩护。)

Bluewave,

As long as your little boy's hearing is normal, he is just delayed in his expressive language development. He will catch up later, may take couple of years.
Expressive language delay is far more common in boys than in girls, from what I observed.
My older boy, who is 5 now, had mild language delay when he was 2 (I even started a thread here back then). So he qualified for the state IEP and later attended language enriched preschool program. He actually caught up right after 3, don't know if it's because of all those programs or just his time came, maybe both.
Once he began to talk in sentences, he has been non-stop. And his talks are all very intelligent with great logic, all his teachers say he is a very smart little boy. He now tells you whatever happens at school, ..."my teacher is going to graduate with a master degree, so she will be a better teacher".....very adult like conversations. Pretty soon, his English will be better than mine. Our concern now is he doesn't speak Chinese back to us.
So in my mind, a language delay is just a delay, if the child don't have other underlining medical problems. They will eventually catch up and I don't think their ultimate communication skills are affected.
只要你的小男孩的听力是正常的,只是在表达性语言的发展上落后的话,他能逐渐赶上,但可能需要几年时间。
表达性语言延迟从我观察看来男孩比女孩更为普遍。
我的大孩子,现在5岁了, 2岁时出现轻度语言迟缓(我在坛子里另开了一主题)。所以他符合国家教育计划(IEP)并随后参加了语言丰富化的学前教育计划。3岁时他赶了上来,不知道这是因为所参加的这些训练或只是他的“时机”到了,也许两者都有。
一旦他开始能说整话,他就刹不住了。而他的语言都非常非常的睿智和有逻辑,所有的老师说他是一个极聪明的小男孩。他现在能告诉我任何发生在学校的事情,...“我的老师及将硕士毕业,所以她会变成一个更好的老师。”简直像成人间的交流。很快,他的英文会比我的好。我们现在担心的是,他不用中文回答我们。

所以在我看来,语言迟缓只是一种延迟,如果孩子没有其他医学上的问题。他们一定能赶上,我不认为他们最终的沟通能力会受到任何影响。

凌霄,
Very much agree with you on this.
My son doesn't really have language delay, since he started speaking right on time. But his communication is lag way behind.
I have two little boys, just imagine how busy we are.  The younger one always follows his older borther in every way, they fight yet the older one is always committed to "take care of" his brother.
They have very distinct personalities, the older one has all those deep thoughts that always surprise us and the younger one is so social, he knows all the parents in his preschool class!
We learn so much from them, especially how to appreciate their uniqueness in every unique way. I believe you feel the same for your boy.
I would like to keep you and your boy in my prayers if you are ok with it.

很同意你这一点。
我的儿子并没有真正语言上的拖延,因为他开始说话的时间不晚。但他的沟通能力落后许多。
我有两个小男孩,可以想像我们是多么繁忙。小家伙对老大亦步亦趋,哥哥虽然始终致力于“照顾”他的兄弟,但打的不可开交。
他们个性鲜明,老大的深思总是让我们感到惊讶;老二则极擅社交,认识所有学前班孩子的父母!
我们从他们身上学到很多,特别是如何以独特的视角欣赏他们的独特个性。我相信这也是你对你孩子的感觉。
我想为您和您的孩子祈祷,如果您不介意的话。

Re: 家有自闭儿  
About half a year ago, I mentioned that my son still couldn't talk and 岩雨 gave me a lot of good advice. I had him uated by a speech therapist in summer, but didn’t take any therapy lessons. He is now 4, he is definitely starting to talk. So I guess he is what they call "natural late talker".
So don't worry, it all will come in due time.
Bluewave, There are some criteria to diagnose the High Function Autism and Asperger Syndrome. You should read books about it. From your description, your son's doctor seems to be very ignorant about this. If your son shares a lot in common with 岩雨's son, then there is no way for a doctor to have a diagnose or rule out a diagnose within half an hour. So go see another doctor. Also, it is possible that your son might just have some language delay, but it might be something more serious. HFA or Asperger kids don’t have language problem, but have communication problem. Basically they are less mature than other kids while they have the same or even higher IQ. The worse is classical autism. It has all the problem of HFA plus language.
约半年前,我提到我的儿子还不会讲话时岩雨给了我很多好的建议。今年夏天我请语言治疗师为他做了评估,但没有采取任何治疗手段。他现在4岁,真的开始说话了。所以我猜他是他们所谓的“语迟者”。
所以不要担心,这一切将在适当的时间出现。
Bluewave,有一些用来诊断高功能孤独症和Asperger综合症的标准,你应该读读相关的书籍。从您的描述,你儿子的医生似乎对此相当无知。如果你的儿子与岩雨的儿子有许多共同点,那么医生就不可能在半小时内对病症确诊或排除(我的理解是需要花更大量的时间)。因此,赶紧去看另一位医生吧。此外,有可能您的儿子只是有一些语言发育迟缓,但也可能是更为严重的问题。高功能孤独症或亚斯伯格孩子没有语言问题,但有沟通和社交问题,他们相比其他孩子幼稚,即使他们有相同或更高的智商。更糟糕的是典型的自闭症,他们具有所有高功能自闭症的问题再加上语言迟滞。

bluewave 写道:
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After reading your newest posts and that of ChangShan's, I'm wondering what were the criteria doctors used to diagnose your son or ChangShan's nephew with HFAC.
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I agree with everything 四维 said on this thread. It seems to me that some parents here are a little bit too optimistic for their kids' "symptoms". As parents, we know our kids the best so we should trust our gut feeling regarding our kids' development. Early intervention is the key and it does work! Some parents refuse to accept that their kids are not "normal". I'm not sure if that's the best for their kids. I would much rather hoping for the best but prepare for the worst.
我完全同意四维的意见。在我看来,这里有些家长对他们孩子的“症状”有点太乐观了。作为父母,我们最了解我们的孩子,所以我们应该相信对我们的孩子的发展状况的直觉。早期干预是关键且十分见效!有些家长拒绝接受他们的孩子“特殊”,我不知道这样对自己的孩子好不好。我对事宁愿抱有最好的希望,但作最坏的打算。


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美国的中国妈妈谈自闭 二

岩雨
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Please let us to use this thread as a discussion forum for children with developmental issues.


The first goal is to offer each other support. It is hard for parents to deal with many things when their kids have developmental issues. It takes a lot of extra time and effort to get the kids the help they need, and a lot of extra patience too. It is especially hard when a parent first suspects the problem and first receives the diagnosis. We have all felt some panic at these times.

A second goal is to share information. There is a lot of information on the Web, in books and in people's experiences.

Each school district and each state has its own laws. Information posted here may apply to some schools/states but not others.

Let's use this forum to help each other.

Thanks to all.



请让我们以下面的帖子作为儿童发育障碍论坛的主题进行讨论。

第一个目标是提供相互支持。如果孩子有发育障碍,父母处理许多事情时会倍感艰难。他们需要额外的时间,大量的精力和格外的耐心为孩子提供帮助。而最困难的时刻,就是当父母第一次怀疑孩子存在问题和首先收到明确的诊断。我们都曾经在彼时彼刻感到过惊慌失措和一丝恐惧。


第二个目标是共享信息。有很多网上的信息,书籍和人们的经验可以彼此分享。

每个学区及每个州都有自己的法律。相关信息张贴在这里可以对各位申请到某些州的某些(最合适的)学校有益。

让我们利用这个论坛互相帮助。

感谢大家。
----------Here is the original thread-------------(下为原帖)

我七岁的儿子是个(高功能)自闭儿(High functioning autistic child).
从三岁起,他上了三年的特别学校,去年上了Kindergarten, 现在上一年级。他的功课没问题,(reading and math at 2nd or 3rd grade level), 但是没有任何同龄的朋友。
他现在一半时间在普通班(one teacher, 20 kids),一半时间在特别班(one teacher, two aid, 6 kids)。 学校还给他配了个personal aid,走到哪跟到哪。
他可以和我们对话,和他很熟识的大人对话,但不会和他同龄的孩子玩儿。
他不喜欢体育,喜欢音乐,也喜欢画画。他原不能容忍听故事,一定要自己念(he can read before he was two, before he can talk)。 近来有所改进,可以和我轮流读。 他画得不错,音乐也写的不错, 可他的故事写的惨不忍睹----没头没尾,上一句和下一句互不相干。
看着他成长真使我感到生命是多么得奇妙。对他来说,凡是学校需要教的东东都容易(reading, math)。凡是别人不用教的东东都特难  (ask for food, water, how to talk with others)。

想看看CND上的大侠们有没有经验或建议可帮他和同龄的小朋友玩儿?

Please check out his music site if you are interested.

Here is the site:
http://www.geocities.com/yan2yu3/little_composer

Re: 家有自闭儿  
Dear 岩雨:
Your son is a very special kid, definitely a genius in music, maybe more areas. As to the daily functioning side, it will just take him longer to learn. If you think about it, regular people like us, even if the daily functioning side comes to us easy, we may never even dream of achieving the kind of gift(s) your son has displayed, no matter how hard we try. In that sense, your son got a good deal from God.   
On the other hand, it does mean a lot of extra love, effort, and patience from you and your husband. Well, I believe God must think you have enough of all that to handle a genius son.
The fact that your son has a happy nature is a true bonus. My heart just melts everytime I see my son's smile with his two dimples. I bet you are the same.
I look forward to hearing great music written by your son played by the best orchestra someday, and I am sure I will hear your heart singing along with the music.
My best wishes to you and your family!  
Please just stay cheerful and thankful to all the progresses you son makes, big or small, just like every other parent.
Your son is very intelligent and gifted. And I too find extremly smart kids often appear to be socially outsiders, however, it's more like a personality trait in non-autistic children.
With such a gifted child, frankly I think you can set your goal so that he can have a normal or near normal conversation in his adult life, at the same time, like others said, encourage him to fully develop his potential and talent. He could be a great musician or writer or both later in his life.
你儿子非常特别,他毫无疑问是个音乐天才,没准儿还是更多领域的(天才)。至于日常生活方面,他只是需要较长时间去学习。如果你想一想,我们这些普通人虽然可以轻而易举的适应日常社会生活,但我们可能做梦都想不敢想拥有如你儿子所展示的那份天赋---------无论我们多努力。从这个意义上讲,上帝赠与你的儿子比我们更多。
另一方面,它意味着你和你的丈夫需要付出加倍的爱,努力和耐心。我相信上帝一定认为你在这方面有足够的能力可以去养育一个天才儿子。
此外你儿子的快乐天性简直是个送你的大红包。每次看到我儿子伴着两个酒窝的笑容我的心就如融化一般。我敢打赌你也是相同的。
我期待着有一天能够欣赏到由最好的管弦乐团演奏的你的儿子的美妙作品,我还相信我会听你的与音乐相伴的心灵吟唱。
真诚祝愿您和您的家人!
请像所有其他家长一样保持愉快和感恩的心,去面对你儿子的所有进步,无论大或小。
你的儿子很聪明,很有天分。我也觉得极度聪明的孩子常似社会局外人,但是对于非自闭症儿童,此特点只能算是超有个性?(这句有点不明白)
有这样的天才儿童,坦白说,一方面你要设定努力的目标,争取在他成年时能够正常或接近正常的交流。另一方面,如其他人说,鼓励他充分发挥自己的潜能和才华,今后他可以成长为一个伟大的音乐家或/兼作曲家。


Re: 家有自闭儿  

岩雨,
I am not sure if people on this forum can offer much real help other than encouragement. There are some institutions which specialize those kind of education. They offer social group playing by showing them what to say during the play time. Also, there are a lot of web sites which can give some ideas as what to do.

我不确信这个论坛的人就可以提供很多实际的帮助而不仅是鼓励。有一些专门的特殊教育机构,他们提供社会交往的团体表演以展示社会生活的社交语言。此外,大量的网站上也有该怎么做的办法。

Re: 家有自闭儿  
My 11-year-old nephew has the same thing (High functioning autistic child). He can read by himself at 3, and loved boring cookbooks at 4. He would sit there read an inch thick cookbook for hours. When he was 6, the test shows his reading, vocabulary was at 10th grade level. But he has problem interacting with other kids, manage his daily life, has all these symptoms you mentioned here. All he wants to do is sit there, read.
It was said that HFAC kids are more common among two-engineer family. Silicon Valley has high concentration of HFAC kids. I know two engineer families have 3 HFACs in total 5 children.
However, for some reason it is not common among Chinese. Maybe our Chinese are too practical to be a HFAC?
My sister in-law spent a lot time/energy/love with her oldest son, because he's a HFAC. He is getting better and better after all these years' effort. So your son will be better too. Just keep your loving care and utilize all the resources you can get. This society is the best for every young genius or fools. If your son is in China, he'll have extremely difficult time.我11岁的侄子同样是高功能自闭症儿童(HFAC)。他3岁时可以自己阅读,4岁时爱上了沉闷食谱。他会坐上几个小时读食谱,摞起来足有一英寸厚。当他6岁时,测试表明他的阅读,词汇是在10年级的水平。但他的问题在于和其他孩子互动,生活自理,还有所有你在这里提到的症状。他想做的是坐在那里,阅读。
有人说,HFAC孩子在两个工程师的家庭更普遍。硅谷家庭有HFAC孩子的比例较高。我知道某个双工程师的家庭中5个孩子里有3个是HFAC。
然而,由于某种原因,中国里并不常见-------也许我们中国人太实际了不会得HFAC?
我嫂子花了很多时间/精力关爱上了她的大儿子,因为他是HFAC。通过这些年的努力他越来越好。所以,你的儿子也会更好的。只要保持您的充满爱的关怀,并利用一切可用的资源。这个社会无论是对于天才或傻瓜都是最好的社会。如果你的儿子是在中国,他将面对非常艰难的岁月。

Thanks all for the encouraging. Certainly need some from time to time, so I can look beyond just now.
Right now, every night, the best time is sit there and listen to him playing the piano, classical pieces, his own pieces or improvises.
Wish someday he can get to know more about his surroundings.
Yes, I do join the local parents group for this.

感谢所有的鼓舞。不时的鼓励会令我不断超越。
现在,每天晚上,最美好的时光就是坐在那里,听他演奏钢琴,古典的,他创作的或即兴的。
希望有一天他能更多地了解他周围的世界。
是的,我参加这个家长组。

Re: 家有自闭儿  
I posted here hope to find someone with similar experience. I will write more tonight, as I have to leave now.
写此贴希望在这里能找到类似经验的人。今晚再写,下先。

岩雨,
Thank you for telling us about your son. My youngest son has similar problem. He is now three and half and barely talks. He enjoys watching kids' show on TV. He can call out names of a few dozen characters in many different shows. He can read numerical numbers by himself. But he doesn't call "Mom", "Dad" or other simple words. His doctor first said he had Autism but half an hour later said he didn't have Autism, she couldn't give us any diagnosis even after a few office visits. So please don't be too worry about the name HFAC. These late talkers are just special and different from other kids. Keep encourage him on doing what he is good at and give him more time for him to develop his communication skills in his own pace. I found this approach seemed to work for my son, and makes myself feel a lot less stressfull. I did quit my job after realizing he had severe speech delay. He still goes to full day preschool and has good time there. He plays with siblings at home too. He loves lots of hugs and cuddling from me. We gives him as much love as we could. I think as long as he is happy. Some day he would start to talk like other kids. By the way, I don't rely/trust much on speech therapists. All they were doing was trying to teach him sign language.
One thing you may try is to let your son learn to sing, since he is so talented in music. He should enjoy it. This might be the best way to make him "saying" words. I saw a lot of progress after encouraging my little boy to sing along his favorite kids songs on TV.
Let's encourage each other. Have a nice holiday season!

谢谢您谈起您的儿子。我的小儿子也有类似的问题。他现在是三岁半,几乎不会说话。他喜欢看儿童电视节目。他可以说出许多角色的名称,可以阅读许多数字。但他从未叫过“妈妈”,“爸爸”或其他简单的话。他的医生开始说他有自闭症,但半小时后又说他没有。即使在数次面访后,她仍然不能下诊断。所以请不要太担心这个名字HFAC。这些语迟的孩子和别人比只是有点不同罢了。继续鼓励做他擅长的,多给他一点时间,按照他自己的节奏去发展沟通技巧。我发现这对我儿子有效,自己也觉得少了些压力。意识到孩子有严重的语言发展问题后我辞职了。他还上整天幼儿园也很享受幼儿园的时光。他和兄弟姐妹玩儿得很好,也非常喜欢我的拥抱,喜欢和我偎依在一起。我尽我所能地爱他,只要他高兴,总有一天,他可以像其他的孩子一样说话。顺便说一句,我相信言语治疗师,他们所做的就是教他手语。

有一件事是你可以尝试---------让你儿子学唱歌,因为他有如此的音乐才华,应该会很享受。这可能是最好的使他“说”的办法。我总鼓励的小儿子唱他最喜欢的电视节目歌曲,现在有了很大的进步。

让我们互相鼓励。祝你渡个好假!

ksom 写道:
I agree. I think as parents here, we need to be careful of what school and others think as 'normal'. I think sometimes school push too hard to make kids 'normal'. They are probably afraid some kids would become outcasts and end up shotting others, so they want to everyone to be 'normal'.

I think it is more important to make sure your son is confident in himself and feel comfortable with his actions. If he does not care to talk to others, why force him? If he wants to talk but don't know how, then he has the motivation and it would not be too hard to teach him. Don't expect him to like the other kids. I think the focus should not be help him talk or interact like other. The focus should be help him to accomplish what he wants to do.

同意。我认为作为家长,我们需要小心在意的就是什么样才是学校和他人眼中的“正常”。我有时觉得学校过分推动孩子们变为所谓正常。他们可能是担心有些孩子会成为社会弃儿,并最终制造(校园)枪击案(这样事儿星星们才干不出来呢),所以他们希望每个人都符合他们心中的“正常”。

我觉得更重要的是要确保你的儿子有自信,做事放松。如果他不在意和别人交谈,为什么非强迫他呢?如果他想说话,但不知道如何做,那么他就有了动机,教他就不会太难了。不要期望他像其他孩子一样。我觉得重点不应该放在帮助他说话或像其他人一样互动,而是帮助他完成他想做的事。

Re: 家有自闭儿  
我的朋友也有个自闭的儿子,都25了,可是他对儿子远比对一切正常的女儿,17岁,感到放心。儿子虽然没有谋生能力,但也从不给他找麻烦;女儿倒害的他几次差点40几岁当爷爷,上班时最害怕女儿给他打电话,或者警察找上门。

这孩子待人特别的gentle,也是只爱跟熟人讲话;但是如果谈论的话题是狗呀猫呀之类,他也能讲个一大箩筐。他还自己拍了一些有关狗的纪录片,得到了不少好评。对了,他也是不到两岁就会自己读书,让周围人很惊讶了一把。

我没别的意思,人人都有一些缺陷,别太强求要孩子“一切正常”,他快乐就挺好。



bluewave,
From what you are saying, your son seem has speach delay. Have you checked his ears? Many of the speach delay is caursed by hearing problems. Fixed the hearing problem, the speach just takes off.

根据你所说的,你的儿子似乎语言发育迟缓。你检查过他的听力吗?讲话的延迟,许多是听力问题引起的。解决了听觉问题,语言就会爆发。

My son love to sing and he can speak----actually, he "talks" a lot, but not in the real sense of talking, like a conversation. He can read very early on (also say nursery rhythms, sing kids songs), so there is no problem with him making sound. The problem is communication.
He did make a lot progress in the last year or so, so now he can tell me something----like the zipper on his pants hurt him, or he wants to have a sleep over in his piano teacher's house on the third floor. However, as much as I understand him, I do not think other kids can. Even other adults will have trouble at the begining. People know him for a while understand him better. He repeats questions and statement, like to talk the topic he enjoy. Also, sentance jump from one topic to another, or incomplete sentances. Many times, he just do not know how to say something or how to answer a question.
He doesn't like to watch TV, except singing/dancing shows. I guess that he doesn't follow the story line as fast. He probably is hyperlexia---means that when he hears something, he will write the sentance in his mind and read the sentance to understand it---so it takes time. When we talk with him, we wait. But other people, expecial kids, will not.
Yes, you are right, as long as he is happy...
Yes, let's encourage each other.

我的儿子爱唱歌也能讲话----实际上,他是个话唠,但不是真正意义上的对话。他很早就可以阅读(也会说儿歌,唱儿童歌曲),所以他发声不存在问题,问题是沟通。
在过去一年多他取得了很大的进步,现在他可以告诉我一些事情,比如他的裤子拉链夹到他了,或者他希望在他的钢琴老师家的三楼借宿一晚。不过,虽然我理解他,我不认为其他的孩子也可以,即使是成年人在开始接触他的时候也很难听明白,人们多了解他后,就能听懂多些了。他不断重复问题/语句和他喜欢的话题,他的语言很跳跃,会从一个话题跳到另一个,或跳到一句不完整的话。很多时候,他都不知道如何表达或如何回答问题。(表现非常像女儿,虽然她现在说得好多了)

除了唱歌/舞蹈表演他不喜欢看电视,。我估计他是追不上故事的迅速发展,大概是hyperlexia ---意味着,当他听了语言后,要将语言在脑子里写下来,再读出来才能够理解---所以他需要较长的时间来明白一句话的意思。当我们跟他谈话时,我们可以等待,但其他人特别是孩子,是不会等他的。

是的,你说得对,只要他很高兴就好...
是的,让我们互相鼓励。

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