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发表于 2006-6-20 01:36:40 | 只看该作者 回帖奖励 |正序浏览 |阅读模式


有关禁食的理论和效用,全世界的专业人士门都各持己见,没有共识,我想在以琳网上是讨论不出个结果的。

我想我们换个方式,看一下大家的看法和操作。

这是个多选题。

没法避免的是,主观判断的有效无效,可能并不代表真实情况。

只是针对禁食,你有什么想法,欢迎发表。
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发表于 2009-9-19 13:05:49 | 只看该作者

re:-ー

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发表于 2009-9-17 15:14:52 | 只看该作者

re:梨含水杨酸,不吃为好。

梨含水杨酸,不吃为好。
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发表于 2009-8-28 20:06:30 | 只看该作者

re:梨不能吃呀!!!

梨不能吃呀!!!
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发表于 2009-8-18 07:28:43 | 只看该作者

re:书上提过,可以吃梨。

书上提过,可以吃梨。
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发表于 2009-8-18 07:24:24 | 只看该作者

re:"其实对于有肠道酵母菌问题的孩子来说,梨...

"其实对于有肠道酵母菌问题的孩子来说,梨是最好的水果" 有科学根据吗?
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发表于 2009-8-18 01:05:33 | 只看该作者

re:其实对于有肠道酵母菌问题的孩子来说,梨是...

其实对于有肠道酵母菌问题的孩子来说,梨是最好的水果。
我儿子是尿肽、有机酸尿检、过敏原、头发测试都作了,没有酵母菌的问题,尿肽检测的结果是应该禁奶,对谷蛋白的值略高。禁食了有不到1年,感觉反应不大,就不再严格禁食。对牛奶的反应是比较大的,会兴奋,而且对牛奶过敏比较厉害,所以现在牛奶是尽量避免的。面食他本来就不太吃,偶尔吃点不含奶的面包、饼干,实际上他对大米的过敏值甚至高过小麦。他过敏的东西实在太多,没办法避免也就不管了,只是尽量避免连续吃某种水果、蔬菜。
禁食不能说无效,对大部分孩子来说在情绪上会有改善,只是有些明显,有些不明显而已。有些孩子比较偏食,禁食就会比较麻烦,但我个人认为偏食首先就要改正,其实只要家长有决心、恒心、狠心,孩子一定可以纠正偏食的习惯。
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发表于 2009-8-16 19:14:23 | 只看该作者

re:谢谢维尼爱妈妈的指点!我去尝试下。

谢谢维尼爱妈妈的指点!我去尝试下。
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发表于 2009-8-16 04:16:44 | 只看该作者

re:泡点大米(糙米最好)。其他就和磨豆浆一样...

泡点大米(糙米最好)。其他就和磨豆浆一样。
给孩子吃点新鲜的大蒜汁(在吃饭的时候)。肯定有肠道问题。
看看生物治疗的书,您就明白了。
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发表于 2009-8-16 00:47:09 | 只看该作者

re:36、37楼你们好!谢谢你们的建议!我给...

36、37楼你们好!谢谢你们的建议!我给学生禁糖了。因为他家庭经济的原因(家中连他有三个孩子,他是排行老二,母亲没工作也没文化,单靠父亲的工作维持生活)不能去做过多的检查。他在我家有一年整了,我只是每天摸索给他吃食品。已禁了牛奶、麦类、糖类、调味品吃太太乐牌的鸡晶、水果只吃苹果、香蕉。葡萄给他吃了就兴奋,也没给他吃。绿豆汤放冰糖他吃了也兴奋,也不好给他吃。这样的孩子真可怜的。我感觉给他禁食有一定的效果。每天要给他吃许多带绿色叶子的蔬菜、毛豆类的菜毛豆是他特别喜欢吃的菜,情绪就比较稳定。大豆为什么是危险的东西呢?我也是用豆浆机自己做豆浆吃。那么米糊是怎样做呢?请告诉我,谢谢啦!
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发表于 2009-8-15 04:54:03 | 只看该作者

re:大豆是个危险的东西。我的孩子现在是买了一...

大豆是个危险的东西。我的孩子现在是买了一个豆浆机,自己做米糊给他吃。先禁食了看看就行。
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发表于 2009-8-14 21:33:57 | 只看该作者

re:是不是糖的缘故呢?喝豆浆不加糖和喝糖水对...

是不是糖的缘故呢?喝豆浆不加糖和喝糖水对比实验一下不就知道!
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发表于 2009-8-14 20:51:20 | 只看该作者

re:"我的孩子如果喝了豆浆和甜牛奶,睡眠就会...

"我的孩子如果喝了豆浆和甜牛奶,睡眠就会差很多,但是进食豆腐干,豆腐丝等豆类食品,饮用淡牛奶则没出现入睡困难的情况."请教自闭儿能不能喝豆浆?我的学生这段时间来,睡眠不好,晚上不睡,说话且走来走去的,早上要睡,叫他起来就发脾气。牛奶和面食都禁了只喝豆浆,而且是早晚都喝。那么他睡眠不好、情绪不稳定,是否是因为喝豆浆的问题呢?望得到大家的帮助。先谢谢了!
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发表于 2009-8-13 23:23:04 | 只看该作者

re:什么食物含较多甲基水杨酸盐?

什么食物含较多甲基水杨酸盐?
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发表于 2008-9-27 14:11:48 | 只看该作者
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发表于 2008-9-27 13:53:52 | 只看该作者
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发表于 2008-4-23 17:35:33 | 只看该作者

re:我不相信禁食有用,没测试,更没禁食

我不相信禁食有用,没测试,更没禁食
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发表于 2007-10-7 20:41:39 | 只看该作者

re:我个人认为禁食很有效,我没法从医学上得到...

我个人认为禁食很有效,我没法从医学上得到证明,但孩子的情况给我的直感是:当孩子禁食后,消化好了,睡眠好了,情绪控制好了。我们没有做过任何的测试,但从楼主的调查结果来看,禁食面食的比例较大,就孩子的多动问题,以前曾经考虑禁食面食,看来真得要实施一个阶段看看情况了。
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发表于 2007-4-29 00:54:03 | 只看该作者

re:我没给孩子禁食,不知道禁食有没有效果.....

我没给孩子禁食,不知道禁食有没有效果............选题里没有这个选项,我只好在这里回答.不过通过观察我的孩子,觉得禁食应该有一定的效果,我的孩子如果喝了豆浆和甜牛奶,睡眠就会差很多,但是进食豆腐干,豆腐丝等豆类食品,饮用淡牛奶则没出现入睡困难的情况.
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 楼主| 发表于 2007-4-10 18:53:41 | 只看该作者

re:[COLOR=red][U]下面贴子由"...

[U]下面贴子由"秋爸爸"发表:[/U]
[SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN 2007-4] 自闭症的饮食--禁食面包和牛奶能缓解症状吗?

简译一篇2007年4月号“SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN”的报道。

自闭症的饮食--禁食面包和牛奶能缓解症状吗?

网上有许多易令人轻信的说法,其一就是自闭症患者禁食谷蛋白和酪蛋白具有神奇的疗效,有些家长会热心地描述他们禁食面奶后立刻见效的奇妙进步。据调查,40%的自闭儿曾经做过禁食。这种狂热,与其说基于科学,不如说基于希望,因为目前尚没有充分的研究证据证明禁食可以改善自闭症的症状。禁食法的几种假说猜测,自闭症孩子的肠胃代谢紊乱,产生的代谢副产物伤害脑细胞或者诱发不当的免疫反应,从而致病。虽然6个研究小组的研究支持禁食,可不幸的是那些研究都存在着严重的缺陷,如,都缺乏有效的对照组。禁食孩子的进步,也许源于同期其他的训练成就呢,甚至源自孩子自身成长的因素,这都难以说清。最近,美国加州大学的科学家主持了一项关于禁食的极为严格的测验,结果将在1年内出来。这项研究采用了双盲对照组的方法,父母和研究者都不会知道某个孩子禁食与否,如此减少自以为是的干扰,仅从行为效果上作评测。但是原来期望的60个志愿者,如今只30个参加,样本数量少了一半。

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原文如下

SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN
APRIL 2007

The Autism Diet
CAN AVOIDING BREAD AND MILK EASE THE DISORDER?

BY MARK ALPERT

If you can believe the many testimonials posted on the Web, a diet free of gluten and casein is a miracle treatment for autism. Parents of children suffering from the disorder, which is characterized by impaired social and communication skills, fervently describe astounding improvements that occurred as soon as they removed gluten (a mixture of plant proteins found in wheat, rye and barley) and casein (the main protein in dairy products) from their kids’ meals. Surveys indicate that as many as 40 percent of children with autism have been placed on special diets at one time or another. This enthusiasm is grounded more in hope than in science; so far researchers have no good evidence that dietary interventions can alleviate the symptoms of autism. Recently, however, investigators have launched the fi rst rigorous tests of the diets, and the results may be available within a year.
The assumption behind the diets is that people with autism often have gastrointestinal abnormalities that allow unusual amounts of digestive by-products into the body (the so-called leaky gut syndrome). The by-products of gluten and casein, according to one hypothesis, disrupt brain function by altering opioid activity, which is involved in pain regulation and social bonding. Another theory posits that the gut leakage triggers a harmful immune response. These hypotheses are far from rock-solid; in fact, scientists have not even confi rmed that people with autism have a higher-than-normal incidence of gastrointestinal problems. But the causes of autism are so poorly understood and the disorder is so variable that some investigators are willing to consider the possibility that gluten and casein may somehow exacerbate symptoms in some children, perhaps just by producing intestinal discomfort.
Unfortunately, the initial studies of diets that eliminate gluten and casein were badly flawed. Although half a dozen research groups reported improvements in behavior and cognition in autistic children after several months on the elimination diets, nearly all the studies lacked control subjects, individuals who continued to digest the suspect proteins. Because the researchers did not compare the restricted-diet children with a control group, they could not specify whether the behavioral and cognitive gains actually resulted from the diets, from the children’s maturation or from other therapies conducted at the same time.
The new studies, in contrast, involve control subjects and have a double-blind design: neither the researchers nor the parents will know whether the autistic children are consuming gluten or casein, so the evaluations of the children’s behavior will not be tainted by wishful thinking. In a study led by Robin Hansen of the University of California, Davis, all participants go on a gluten-free diet for two months; then, for the next two months, half the subjects eat daily snacks containing gluten while the other half get indistinguishable gluten-free snacks. Susan Hyman of the University of Rochester is running a similar study testing the behavioral effects of both gluten and casein. An investigation at the University of Pittsburgh Medical Center will monitor the effects of combining the gluten-free, casein-free diet with supplements of omega-3 fatty acids, another popular but unproved therapy for autism.
The researchers have run into some trouble recruiting autistic subjects. Many parents who are committed to the gluten-free, casein-free diet do not want to participate because their children may be included in a control group and receive the offending substances. Hansen says she originally hoped for 60 subjects but now expects 30. Her results should be available in about six months. “It’s a hard study to do, but it’s worth doing,” says Susan E. Levy, director of the Regional Autism Center at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia. “I’m hopeful that we’ll know a lot more in a year.”

REVERSING THE DAMAGE
Although research on diet and autism is still in its infancy, scientists are making great strides in understanding the genetic roots of the disorder, which strikes about one in 150 U.S. children. Mutations of a gene called MECP2 cause Rett syndrome, the most physically disabling of the conditions in the autism spectrum.
A team led by Adrian Bird of the University of Edinburgh in Scotland recently showed that reactivating MECP2 in mice reversed their neurological damage, eradicating tremors and restoring normal breathing in animals that were, in some cases, only days from death. Many genes are involved in causing the more common forms of autism, but the new research holds out the hope that scientists may someday develop therapies that could repair the brains of children suffering from the disorder.  
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