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专题讨论: 自闭症孩子的多动问题及和多动注意力缺乏症的关系

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发表于 2012-9-9 02:29:58 | 只看该作者 回帖奖励 |正序浏览 |阅读模式
很久就想开这么一个帖,既有自己的切身体会,也有不少家长的期望,还有看到的不少文献,希望这次能不能坚持下来.大家可以各抒己见,和提供相关的文章和信息,同意不同意的都行,但是我们只提供信息和建议,诊断和药物你得找医生,如果你只看网络上的消息来自己找药治疗,那你要么是笨蛋要么是狂人,我对这两种人一点不用负责.丑话说前头.


第一篇文章翻译自<autism spectrum quartely Fall,2012)

"Attention problems in Autism, Not your "typical" ADHD

作者:Todd Levine M.D (布朗大学医学院讲师)


在家长老师们面对自闭孩子们的注意力问题时,常常会问:这不是多动症(ADHD)又是什么呢?但是注意力困难同时也是其它脑神经疾病所出现的症状,如焦虑症,抑郁症,和自闭症等等,有时候它们又同时产生,所以对诊断带来很多的困难.

我和家长们讨论的一个最重要的话题就是孩子们的注意力问题是来源于他们自闭症还是可以归结为一个新的障碍,可以用多动症的药物和方法来治疗.尽管在自闭症和多动症之间有很多重叠的范围,但是我觉得还是有很多质的区别的:比如说,对于一个典型的多动症孩子来说,他的困难在于如何去排除那些能影响到他注意力的内部和外部的干扰刺激,而这同样也发生在自闭症孩子的身上,很多情况下是来自外部的和他们不相干的刺激干扰了他们的注意力.这么说尽管有些简单化,但是能在一定程度上说明为什么我们想要一个自闭症孩子去做一件事情时总是那么困难,而对于一个多动症孩子,我们常常只需要去帮他减少干扰就好了.


"高度选择性的注意力"

自闭症孩子和成年人和其他不一样在于他们关注的事情是不一样的,比如说我的病人中一个自闭症孩子,一进门就盯着天花板看,因为他对屋里的日光灯很感兴趣,他老是撞东撞西的,因为他只注意这头上的灯,不怎么在意房间里的东西,而他不是自闭症的兄弟进来后坐在地毯一角读书,却很清楚他们的父母在哪里,知道有哪个陌生人进来了,这两孩子的知觉如此差异很让人得出结论说这个自闭症孩子是那个"注意力缺乏"的孩子,但是事实上是因为这个孩子是对灯光太关注了,而并非被他周围环境所干扰.

"对于喜欢和不喜欢事情的注意力差别"

对于自闭症孩子来说,只关注那些他们喜欢的事情而对不喜欢的事情兴趣缺乏是很普遍的事,比如说一个自闭症少年不想坐在教室内完成数学作业,那作业是他很容易完成的,但是他觉得没意思去做,他坐在教室里东扰扰西抓抓,两眼漠然看着窗外,无论老师家长劝说他完成数学作业有多么重要,他就是不听,但是回到家里,他可以自己用复杂的编程去创作出电子游戏出来,他这时不仅注意力很集中,还很有动力,学校家长们很迷惑不解怎么这孩子能够做到却不去做那些生活中非常重要的技能,换句话说,他能够集中注意力,却只对他喜欢的事情,这和多动症不一样的地方就是后者对喜欢或不喜欢的事情都一样.

"因感觉刺激超载带来的注意力问题"

自闭症孩子们会对某些声音,气味,触觉或灯光特别地不安或焦躁,有些被很多人的环境所困扰,焦虑也明显地起着作用,但也不是唯一的原因,我知道的一个女孩在她的某一节课上总是很紧张不安,整堂课都无法集中精力,而在另一个教室里上课却完全不一样,学校里很困惑她的注意力为什么从这个教室到那个教室有如此不同,结果发现她在前一个教室的座位正好对着学校的校铃,而她恰恰对声音非常敏感,她老是惦记着下一次铃响会是什么时候,所以一致局促不安,所以一直心不在焉的状态,只要帮她换个不正对着校铃的座位就很大地提高了她的表现.


所以对我来来说,越了解自闭症孩子们之所以分心的根源,就越能切实地帮助他们,从而最大程度上发掘他们的潜能.
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发表于 2012-9-25 14:48:35 | 只看该作者

re:我没给小孩用药,试过作用不大,教会了他跳...

我没给小孩用药,试过作用不大,教会了他跳绳,每天早上跳800个,对他的多动和注意力有很大帮助,现在孩子读6年纪,学校作业能独立完成,上课也能记录听课,这次英语也考了全班第一。努力教会孩子跳绳吧,不能依靠药物。
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-9-23 06:12:56 | 只看该作者

re:这是2008年的一篇综述,里面总结了一下...

这是2008年的一篇综述,里面总结了一下其它人关于自闭症和多动症相交的症状和治疗:

对于哌甲酯(Methylphenidate),俗稱利他能(Ritalin)之类的药物, Kolevzon的综述中说明这类药物可以用来减轻自闭症孩子的多动症状,但是比起在多动症孩子中使用同样的药物相比,自闭症孩子得到的结果不稳定,而且有更多的副作用.

利培酮已经被认为能有效地控制自闭症孩子的多动症状,能够在自闭症孩子和青少年中被证实在攻击性行为,发坏脾气,或自伤等方面有效地控制住他们的易怒性.

而那些serotonin(血清素)类的药物的效果,就很不清楚或难以令人信服它们可以用来减少刻板行为或是攻击性行为,反而可能带来一定程度上的多动.

作者认为当药物被决定用于治疗某个症状的时候,应该从很低的剂量开始,慢慢地增加,短期和长期的效益必须和风险先权衡利弊.
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 楼主| 发表于 2012-9-22 23:19:07 | 只看该作者

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AUTISM (ASD) AND ADHD : OVERLAP AND COMORBIDITY


A description is provided of the way in which Autistic Spectum Disorder and Attention Deficit (Hyperactivity) Disorder may share certain symptoms, or co-exist, with implications for the gathering of accurate epidemiological data as well as for the planning of interventions.   

(Reference is also made to the domain of language usage and understanding as an area where symptoms converge, with Central Auditory Processing Disorder as a condition that may be confounded to some extent with ASD or ADHD.)



M.J.Connor

                                                                                              January 2008





ASD and ADHD : Presenting Symptoms



A recent overview of the relationship between ASD and ADHD is provided by Kolevzon (2007) who begins by highlighting the core symptoms of autism and ASD as a matter of social impairment, language impairment, and stereotyped or repetitive behaviours.  



He goes on to note that symptoms of attention deficit, impulsiveness, and hyperactivity are relatively common among individuals diagnosed with ASD, and were acknowledged by Kanner in his original description of the symptomatology associated with autism.

Anomalies in attention that may be observed among individuals with ASD involve either too narrow a focus, or too wide a focus with a vulnerability to all and any distracting stimuli such that it may prove difficult either to engage their attention, to shift attention from some specific object or activity, or rapidly to (re-)orient attention.



It is further argued that attention deficits associated with ASD may contribute to the way in which ASD presents such that, for example, a selective attention to specific stimuli (or component parts of stimuli) can be linked to a repetitive or unusual handling of the objects in question; and a failure to attune to the global stimulus rather than to discrete elements can underlie a failure to recognise the feelings or moods of other people and to pick up all the available social and non-verbal cues that guide inter-personal interactions.  

A fragmented and disorganised perception of the surrounding environment, and the complex range of stimuli from other people and events in, say, a busy classroom, may underlie the growth of anxiety and a tendency to withdraw from group settings into an individual and more controllable world.  



The current edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM-IV) holds that a diagnosis of ASD precludes a comorbid diagnosis of ADHD; nevertheless, the advice from Kolevzon is that one should assess for symptoms of ADHD in all individuals meeting the diagnostic criteria for ASD, and a full diagnosis (as a basis for planning intervention) requires a comprehensive developmental and familial history.  



Thus, despite the existence of ASD as an exclusionary criterion for identifying ADHD, it is increasingly common for professionals to perceive inattention or impulsiveness or hyperactivity as a likely set of comorbid features; and clinical trials have demonstrated that medication can be effective in managing the ADHD symptoms among children who have a diagnosis of ASD (with the corollary that applying this exclusionary criterion will deny some children the potential benefits of medication as part of the intervention package).  



On the other hand, it is recognised that ASD and ADHD have different trajectories, outcomes, and treatment “protocols”.  For example, there is well-established and converging evidence (going back to Campbell and Cohen 1978) that the effects of psycho-stimulants among children with ASD are less reliable than among children with ADHD alone.  It is also suggested that too great an emphasis upon ADHD could lead to unreasonable expectations for an overall improvement in the presenting symptoms and behaviour of children validly identified with ASD, while any reliance upon medication may inhibit the establishment of behavioural and educational programmes within the overall intervention.



Meanwhile, and perhaps inevitably, a combination of ASD and ADHD will bring about increased impairment in day to day activities; but, because DSM-IV treats the two conditions as separate, there is limited information about the extent or nature of overlap.  

However, according to the survey of Lecavalier (2006), more than half of a sample of children and adolescents with ASD showed moderate to severe symptoms of inattention and hyperactivity; and a large scale survey in the UK (Fombonne et al 2001) had indicated that individuals with ASD have a significantly greater probability of showing high levels of hyperactivity than individuals not so diagnosed.  



The mechanisms involved are not yet clear, but it is speculated that a sub-sample of those people who are diagnosed with ASD have inherent problems of inattention or impulsiveness or hyperactivity; or that anther sub-sample have comorbid ASD and ADHD.  Either view is reinforced by findings from neuro-imaging studies that both conditions involve some anomalies in the functioning of the frontostriatal or cerebellar regions of the brain.  



Reference is made to the study of Roeyers et al (1998) which used retrospective parental reports to attempt to highlight differences between pervasive developmental disorder (autistic spectrum)  and ADHD in early childhood.  

The former group more frequently showed symptoms matching the core ASD characteristics, such as a lack of response to social approaches, poor peer interaction, and a lack of symbolic play. Motor tics, behaviour problems, and anxiety were also more frequently observed.

The latter group were more likely to have shown signs of distress, such as loud crying in the early days, hyperactive behaviour, and reckless behaviour.

Concerns about the developmental progress of the PDD children were evoked significantly earlier than concerns about the children with ADHD; although marked differences in behaviour (greater hyperactivity among the ADHD group) during the period between 7 and 12 months of age tended to lessen as the PDD children gradually increased their activity level.



A further diagnostic overlap may arise in that many children with ADHD have difficulty in relating to others such that problems of peer interaction and reciprocity, considered a significant element of ASD, may develop in the ADHD children because of these social difficulties combined with the lack of sustained attention.  



With regard to the usefulness of medication, Kolevzon’s review of relevant data suggests that the use of a psycho-stimulant (methylphenidate) can be effective in reducing the ADHD-related symptoms in children with ASD, although the benefits in this particular group may be less consistent, and more associated with side effects, than the gains observed among children with ADHD but not ASD.  

(Evidence is cited that atomoxetine is better tolerated than methylphenidate.)



Risperidone has been found to be effective in managing hyperactivity among children with ASD, and is approved for the management of irritability reflected in aggressive behaviour, temper tantrums, or self harm among children and adolescents.  



The likely benefits of serotonergic medication are described as less clear or convincing in that it can bring about some reduction in repetitive behaviours or anxiety and aggressiveness in some cases, but increased hyperactivity appears to be a consistent risk.  



The implication set out by Kolevzon is that, when medication is considered as a potential means of managing specifically-targeted symptoms, the dosage should be initiated at a very low level and gradually increased, and that short or long term benefits must be balanced against risks and side effects.



In his conclusion concerning medications, the author acknowledges that the review has some weaknesses in that the emphasis is upon children and adolescents, but that less is known about the effects of psychotropic prescriptions among these younger people than among adults, and the level of efficacy and tolerability may differ markedly between the two groups.  

Further, while the studies reviewed have largely concerned randomized and controlled trials, the actual methodologies have been little discussed, and it is recognised that controlled trials may still have weaknesses (and that helpful information may emerge from alternative methodologies including single case studies).



ASD Symptoms in Twins with ADHD



The paper by Reiersen et al (2007) also emphasises the DSM-IV diagnostic criteria in not allowing a diagnosis of ADHD if the symptoms are associated with a pervasive developmental disorder.  

Nevertheless, they argue, converging findings from clinic-based studies (such as that of Goldstein and Schwebach 2004) indicate that symptoms consistent with ADHD are present in a significant proportion of children with a PDD ... anything between 50+ and 75%.  (Similarly, symptoms characteristic of ASD have been observed in children who meet the criteria for ADHD.)



Further, genetic studies provide evidence for an overlap between autism and ADHD suggesting that some genes may exert an influence in the aetiology of both conditions ... although it is recognised that some of the putative overlap may actually be reflective of inappropriate diagnostic classification.



An epidemiological study of 219 pairs of male twins (Constantino et al 2003) identified an association between scores on the attention scale of the Child Behaviour Checklist and total scores on the Social Responsiveness Scale  (a rating scale completed by parents and teachers to assess autistic traits).  While it was reported that the genetic factors influencing the attention problems and the social responsiveness could be separated, it was still the case that reciprocal interactions could underlie the relationship between the two measures.  



One problem is that most of the studies reporting the co-occurrence of ADHD and ASD have been based upon small and clinic-based samples which could involve some sampling bias; and the corresponding need is to examine samples of children drawn from the population as a whole to determine if there is a general trend towards the clustering of ADHD and ASD symptoms.  

If this trend were to be observed, it would have implications for the generalisability of findings of studies based upon the exclusionary criterion, and for the practical issues of how to organise assessment and to plan intervention.



Accordingly, the present authors set out to examine for overlap of ASD and ADHD in a population-based twin sample, with the predictions that children with ADHD would have an enhanced level of ASD traits (as measured by the SRS) and that SRS scores would differ among children showing different ADHD subtypes.



Twin pairs (N=473) were selected for the study if at least one of the children had been rated by parents as showing at least 3 indicators of attentional problems either currently or in the past.  

Assessment measures included the CBCL and the SRS, plus a semi-structured interview with parents to gather information about ADHD symptoms thus to determine ADHD subtype. .

(As controls, the authors randomly selected 183 twin pairs, and included 104 twin pairs selected for a high score on the CBCL anxiety and withdrawal scale.)



The results indicated that the mean social responsiveness scores for children with the predominantly inattentive and combined subtypes of ADHD were significantly higher than for children who did not meet the criteria for ADHD.  

The authors held that such a finding added to existing data in demonstrating that autistic traits (quantitatively assessed via the SRS) are more evident in children with ADHD drawn from a non-clinical population, and that different ADHD subtypes are associated with markedly different levels of social impairment.



It is possible to cite converging findings that children with attention deficits and or hyperactivity show increased rates of impairment corresponding to the triad of core characteristics of autism and ASD (social and interactional problems, communication impairments, and repetitive/stereotyped behaviours); but the current findings indicate that children with the combined form of ADHD have the highest levels of symptoms in these three autistic domains.



On the other hand, the authors accept that it is still not clear whether poor scores in the social responsive measure indicate true autistic traits or a more general social weakness.  Nevertheless, after introducing controls into the analysis for the CBCL scales of “social problems” and “social competency” which are largely independent of autistic symptoms, the basic results were not altered, suggesting that the low SRS scores cannot be explained simply by non-autistic social deficits.  



In respect of weaknesses in this current study, it was noted that rating scales were only completed by a sub-sample of the originally identified parents, with the possibility of some response bias according to socioeconomic status or IQ or age.  

It was further acknowledged that this twin-sample may not be representative of children who are not part of twin pairs in terms of the rate of attention problems or of autistic traits or of perinatal factors which could have some aetiological influence.



(It has, for example, been noted in a study by Ho et al (2005) that among boys, but not girls, social responsiveness scores are poorer in twins than in non-twins.)



In their summary and conclusion, Reiersen et al highlighted the evidence for an association between ADHD and autistic symptoms in their population-based twin sample. The strongest evidence for this association was gained among children showing the combined subtype of ADHD; and, among girls with ADHD, there appeared to be a more enhanced probability of symptoms of social impairment.  



(It may be speculated – MJC – that this latter finding about girls could be a function of the more uncommon findings of marked and observable [combined form] ADHD symptoms among girls than among boys with possible implications for some differences in they way they are perceived by peers and in peer reactions, with these differences underlying at least some of the observed social anomalies ??)



In any event, the authors argue that the finding that around 30% of boys and around 70% of girls showing the combined form of ADHD at a severe level also met clinical criteria for some autistic symptomatology suggests a gene association and genetic linkage.  

Alternative explanations may include environmental influences upon both conditions, or measurement overlap because of inaccurate diagnostic tools; but their conclusion holds that it is important to consider the existence of both ADHD symptoms and autistic features when studying either condition ... especially given their experience that managing a combination of ADHD and ASD symptoms is more challenging than managing ADHD alone.



Central Auditory Processing Disorder – A Further Area of Overlap     



Deficits in communication, notably in fluent and meaningful two-way exchanges, are part of the core characteristics of autism.  

However, symptoms involving some language and communication impairment may be indicative of other conditions, including a central auditory processing disorder (CAPD).



The guidelines produced by Kutscher (2007) describe central auditory processing as a matter of interpreting and organising “unrefined” auditory material.  It is more than hearing, and involves making sense of what is heard.

CAPD is not some single entity but a collective name for various problems that can occur in any permutation, and which may be experienced in around 2 or 3%  of the population (with boys affected more commonly than girls).  



The specific components of auditory processing include discrimination (such as differentiating between words that sound quite similar); localisation (identifying the precise source of the sounds and determining where to direct attention); auditory attention (sustaining a focus upon the stimuli); figure-ground discrimination

(separating the significant input – such as the teacher’s voice – against background noise in the classroom); closure (the capacity to understand the whole of a word or a message even if part of it is missed); synthesis (combining sounds to form whole words); association (attaching a meaning to the sounds/speech); and auditory memory (short or long term storage of what is heard as a basis for immediate or subsequent response).



What matters is that some delay in responding or in offering a response that is unrelated to the stimulus question or remark (or not to respond at all) can impair or prematurely end an exchange, with implications for social interaction and acceptance, and for the development of anxiety.  Thus, the impacts of CAPD may be similar to those of symptoms of ASD or of ADHD, and the conditions may be confounded (or overlap).



Kutscher describes how CAPD and ADHD can be differentiated.

For example, CAPD effects are specific to listening and language demands, with background noise having a “scrambling” impact upon the information, and with comprehension problems still possible after the establishment of attention, albeit with no impact upon executive functioning once understanding is achieved. Acting-out behaviours are unusual.   

ADHD effects may arise across a range of types of stimuli, with background noise increasing the difficulty of attending; but comprehension is usually adequate once attention has been established even if this is not necessarily translated into appropriate executive functioning. Hyperactive and over-reactive, even apparently aggressive, behaviour may be noted.



CAPD and ASD share the characteristics of sensitivity to noise, a difficulty in focusing attention upon the appropriate person, problems in following lengthy and multi-step instructions or in sharing a conversation (pragmatics), and difficulty in sustaining attention (to imposed tasks at least).  



One implication that the present writer - MJC - would draw from this is for some danger in the use of labels since they tend to be unitary and may deflect attention away from the possibility of “multiple aetiology” (the co-existence of a number of areas of difficulty).  Meanwhile, any label can provide only a general indicator of the area(s) of concern which, albeit a helpful starting point, still requires following up with an exposition of the individual profile of strengths and weaknesses, and of the precise circumstances where the problems with be most evident, thus to plan how, specifically, to prioritise and deal with observed difficulties.





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M.J.Connor                                                                                              January 2008





REFERENCES  



Campbell M. and Cohen I.  1978   Treatment of infantile autism.  Comprehensive Therapy  4  33-37



Constantino J., Hudziak J., and Todd R.   2003   Deficits in reciprocal social behaviour in male twins; evidence for a genetically independent domain of psychopathology.   Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry  42  458-467



Fombonne E., Simmons H., Ford T., Meltzer H., and Goodman R.  2001   Prevalence of pervasive developmental disorders in the British nationwide survey of child mental health.   Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry  40  820-827



Goldstein S. and Schwebach A.  2004   The comorbidity of pervasive developmental disorder and attention deficit hyperactivity disorder.   Journal of Autism and Developmental Disorders  34  329-339



Ho A., Todd R., and Constantino J.  2005   Brief report – autistic traits in twins vs non-twins.   Journal of Autism and Developmental Disorders  35  129-133     



Kanner L.  1943   Autistic disturbances of affective contact.   Nervous Child  2  217-250   



Kolevson A.  2007   Helping the hyperactive child  : when autism looks like ADHD.  Medscape Learning Activity.  May 29th  2007



Kutscher M.  2007   Central Auditory Processing Disorders.  SEN Issues  29  46-50



Lecavalier L.  2006   Behavioural and emotional problems in young people with pervasive developmental disorders.   Journal of Autism and Developmental Disorders  36  1101-1114



Reiersen A., Constantino J., Volk H., and Todd R.  2007   Autistic traits in a population-based ADHD twin sample.   Journal of Child Psychology and Psychiatry 48(5)  464-472



Roeyers H., Keymeulen H., and Buysse A.  1998   Differentiating ADHD from pervasive developmental disorder not otherwise specified.   Journal of Learning Disabilities  31  565-571





Further Reading in this Series



Central Auditory Processing Disorder  (July 2000)






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发表于 2012-9-21 09:41:51 | 只看该作者

re:孩子一直比较多动,有时沉浸在自己的世界里...

孩子一直比较多动,有时沉浸在自己的世界里时了也很兴奋,常常自言自语。虽然说自闭症的孩子大部分都有自言自语的现象,但我还是很苦恼。他的兴奋多动,自言自语有时自己跟本无法控制。
在网上查了  抽动 秽语症,症状有很多和孩子很象,还有就是多动症,这些病症有很多和自闭症都很相似,所以自己也说不准孩子是不是有抽动秽语方面的问题。
孩子已经8岁了,刚上了小学二年级,虽然老师反映这学期比上学期进步大,但同时也说上课的注意力方面比较差,最近一直想给孩子用药,但就不知道该用哪方面的。是不是有效。
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发表于 2012-9-20 11:22:34 | 只看该作者

re:孩子如果对课堂内容没兴趣,当然会神游了。...

孩子如果对课堂内容没兴趣,当然会神游了。

如果想跟上学校的学习,家长在家还是要下苦工的。包括:拓展孩子的认知(如果别的同学不知道的事,只有咱孩子知道,孩子会不会得意呢);上课知识的提前预习(孩子已经心中有点熟,焦虑情绪会大大缓解);和老师的沟通(老师对咱们孩子要多鼓励,少压力,不建议放在老师眼皮底下,上课总提问),如果不会孩子该多尴尬呢。

以上浅见,希望对大家有帮助。
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发表于 2012-9-20 11:14:18 | 只看该作者

re:我现在也遇到同样的困惑,不知道采用怎样的...

我现在也遇到同样的困惑,不知道采用怎样的方法让儿子能在课堂上跟随,就这样吧儿子扔在学校神游真是犯罪。期待大家能够讨论出合适的方法,期待学龄期的孩子有有效地手段干预他们的自闭与神游。
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发表于 2012-9-20 09:36:14 | 只看该作者

re:这个一定要顶:)儿子四年级。开学...

这个一定要顶:)

儿子四年级。开学头两周就被英语和语文老师投诉了。因为没有及时完成课堂作业。问题出在注意力不集中上。

在注意力训练上我没太花功夫,总觉得还不错,暗地里比较庆幸。今年才发现其实存在很大的问题。唉,看来终是逃不过啊。

他也知道自己的问题,说:“妈妈,也不知道怎么回事,我怎么就管不住自己呢?”

迫切的想了解这方面的知识和干预方法。F版,加油啊!
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发表于 2012-9-20 01:03:36 | 只看该作者

re:因为儿子的注意力该好的不好,不该好的超级...

因为儿子的注意力该好的不好,不该好的超级好,所以就看了一本多动症的书,书上说多动症的孩子也会专注于他很感兴趣的事物,这跟自闭症又很像。直到把书看完了,还是没法完全分清高功能和多动症有啥不同。看来只有针对不同行为情况,实施不同的训练课程,管他。现在开学两周了,准备给他加强感统和视觉训练,希望吧!
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发表于 2012-9-19 19:41:24 | 只看该作者

re:我儿子也服用过择思达,早上服用,感觉不怎...

我儿子也服用过择思达,早上服用,感觉不怎么有吃饭了,而且吞不下,嚼碎了对孩子的胃肠道有刺激,所以吃了三个星期后,复诊换成了利他林,效果不明显
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发表于 2012-9-10 15:01:10 | 只看该作者

re:密切关注中....谢谢楼主开了这...

密切关注中....

谢谢楼主开了这个帖子。
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发表于 2012-9-10 10:35:14 | 只看该作者

re:“所以对我来来说,越了解自闭症孩子们之所...

“所以对我来来说,越了解自闭症孩子们之所以分心的根源,就越能切实地帮助他们,从而最大程度上发掘他们的潜能.”这句话讲得真好。
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发表于 2012-9-9 18:12:25 | 只看该作者

re:对于我家孩子而言,就算把他扔到真空里去,...

对于我家孩子而言,就算把他扔到真空里去,要是没人拉一把,他还是容易沉浸到他自己的世界里去。
反而是外部的干扰和刺激会让他回到现实(不过这个时候又像个多动症孩子了)。
要是能找到孩子分心的本源,我们就不会有这么多烦恼啦!
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发表于 2012-9-9 16:17:49 | 只看该作者
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发表于 2012-9-9 16:12:42 | 只看该作者

re:这个帖子开的太及时了,我们已经为成成的注...

这个帖子开的太及时了,我们已经为成成的注意力缺陷和多动困惑了好久,成成在注意力和多动方面算是非常典型的,我们实在无法分辨是自闭症的原因,还是adhd,亦或是二者共存?

今天医生给开了择思达,不知道效果会怎么样?
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发表于 2012-9-9 15:46:23 | 只看该作者

re:[QUOTE][B]下面引用由[U]bi...

下面引用由[U]binfeng2000[/U]发表的内容:

很久就想开这么一个帖,既有自己的切身体会,也有不少家长的期望,还有看到的不少文献,希望这次能不能坚持下来.大家可以各抒己见,和提供相关的文章和信息,同意不同意的都行,但是我们只提供信息和建议,诊断和药...


这个帖子一出来,就引起了强烈关注。请继续。。。。
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发表于 2012-9-9 13:59:21 | 只看该作者

re:为了缓解初服择思达常见的犯困和肚子不舒服...

为了缓解初服择思达常见的犯困和肚子不舒服的副作用,初期先晚上临睡前服用,以后适应了再早上服。
仅个人看法,服药以医生意见为准。
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发表于 2012-9-9 13:47:34 | 只看该作者

re:今天去看儿保科的医生。因为孩子多动,焦虑...

今天去看儿保科的医生。因为孩子多动,焦虑,情绪易冲动,所以医生开了择思达。
但是我们有点疑问,就是平时看到家长说明或者网络上对该药的介绍,一般都是推荐早上吃,或者早晚吃,但是这次医生却让我们晚上睡前吃一颗,半个月后再去复诊。
这个医生的风格有些牛气的,所以平时开药的时候也斩钉截铁的,也没有机会让我们过多的询问。所以我们就一知半解地回来了。
还有我们孩子脑电图发现癫痫波,好像利他林是不能用的,貌似会诱发癫痫,那么择思达会不会有这个风险?
请F版和各位多多指教,谢谢!
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发表于 2012-9-9 13:15:09 | 只看该作者

re:560大元的一根跳绳?好嘛!给孩...

560大元的一根跳绳?好嘛!

给孩子多弄几根,常换着玩,发照片,求鉴定,过几天,就跟微笑的杨局长差不多了,规定地方,不乱动了。
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