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发表于 2012-4-20 14:37:55 | 只看该作者

re:天涯访谈的帖子一开,临时工的动静就小多了...

天涯访谈的帖子一开,临时工的动静就小多了,现在居然销声匿迹。。。

不知道是觉得大势已去,还是在积极准备下一轮疯狂的反咬~~
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发表于 2012-4-19 23:49:41 | 只看该作者

re:首先感谢天涯能利用网络资源来访谈自闭症的...

首先感谢天涯能利用网络资源来访谈自闭症的家长.
从尹的微薄放出后,就一直关注这个事情,因为很不幸,我就是一位自闭症孩子的父亲.我妈妈是一个25年教龄的幼儿教师,教过的孩子有好有坏,类似我儿子这样的也见过不少.所以我妈妈才能在第一时间注意到孩子的情况,并让我们早点认清了这个事实.尹的观点是非常不负责任的,等同于重新将冰箱妈妈的帽子给我们带上了.
她怎么能知道我们为了孩子付出了多少.并臆测我们是训练机构的牟利者,最可笑的是,对于名人 喜禾的爸爸 去舔人家屁股 "你不同于其他把孩子送到训练机构的家长,你是个好家长". 天可怜见,你能看看人家的微博再说话?你不看看喜禾现在在哪里? 对于她这又一次的睁眼说瞎话,请让我再一次鄙视她.
秋爸爸是我们圈子里有代表性的家长,坚强,睿智,有爱心,说实在的,我肯定是达不到他的那个程度.因为我经常会有带着孩子跳楼的想法,因为我不忍心让为他付出那么多的妈妈再痛苦,希望我能带着孩子结束. 但看到孩子天真可爱的脸庞,看到老婆依旧倾心为孩子的付出,我依然要好好的活着,好好的支撑起这个家庭.试问姓尹的砖家,为了孩子付出全部心血的家长,是故意给孩子带上自闭的帽子,让他来接收干预的?
从她上次对多动症的嘴炮,到这次喷自闭症(弱势群体)和家长,不难看出是为了她的新书来炒作,说实在的,这么赚钱的你不是第一个,但你肯定是遇到阻力最大的一个.用一句话来说,就是,因为我们是自闭症孩子的家长.
老婆累了一天陪孩子睡觉了,我在为工作上的项目看文档,在这将近半夜的时间,因为你撒的这把盐让我满心愤懑.遂找回这个尘封数年的账号,来喷一下你.
目前走势你就像郭同学一样,从一个反面给大众带来真理.所以,你要hold住.
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发表于 2012-4-19 23:47:00 | 只看该作者

re:[QUOTE][B]下面引用由[U]燕原...

下面引用由[U]燕原[/U]发表的内容:


别感觉啊,基尼系数是有数据的。

美国贫富差距最大的根源是非法移民。
当然富人也很多,不过钱这个东西,到了一定程度就是数字了,所以太有钱的人,其实可以忽略。

印度的基尼系数低于美国,中...


印度的贫富差距应该比中国大吧。就我的了解?

算了,反正也不是社会论坛。
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发表于 2012-4-19 23:43:11 | 只看该作者

re:[QUOTE][b]下面引用由[u]bo...

下面引用由boboyuyuan发表的内容:

美国,中国, 印度 都是贫富差距很大的国家。 我感觉,印度〉中国=美国


别感觉啊,基尼系数是有数据的。

美国贫富差距最大的根源是非法移民。
当然富人也很多,不过钱这个东西,到了一定程度就是数字了,所以太有钱的人,其实可以忽略。

印度的基尼系数低于美国,中国应当是高过红线的。
日本很低,美国在西方国家算高的,这和他们不是福利国家有关。



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发表于 2012-4-19 23:37:02 | 只看该作者

re:尹某让人恶心,缺乏对特殊孩子和他们家长的...

尹某让人恶心,缺乏对特殊孩子和他们家长的一点点同情和尊重。不过,就自闭症的谱系扩大化和过度诊断,她也有一定道理。

"If the DSM-IV criteria are taken too literally, anybody in the world could qualify for Asperger's or PDD-NOS," says Catherine Lord, one of the members of the APA's DSM-5 Development Neurodevelopmental Disorders Work Group. "The specificity is terrible. We need to make sure the criteria are not pulling in kids who do not have these disorders."

这话和尹关于自闭症过度诊断,标签乱贴,那一段还是有点类似的。当然了,尹由此走上了另一个极端,否认自闭症的事实,否认对孩子和家长的关爱。
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发表于 2012-4-19 23:33:52 | 只看该作者

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Redefining Autism: Will New DSM-5 Criteria for ASD Exclude Some People? [/ALIGN]
Experts call for small and easy changes to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual, the "bible" of psychiatry, so that everyone with autism spectrum disorder qualifies for a diagnosis

People have been arguing about autism for a long time—about what causes it, how to treat it and whether it qualifies as a mental disorder. The controversial idea that childhood vaccines trigger autism also persists, despite the fact that study after study has failed to find any evidence of such a link. Now, psychiatrists and members of the autistic community are embroiled in a more legitimate kerfuffle that centers on the definition of autism and how clinicians diagnose the disorder. The debate is not pointless semantics. In many cases, the type and number of symptoms clinicians look for when diagnosing autism determines how easy or difficult it is for autistic people to access medical, social and educational services.

The controversy remains front and center because the American Psychiatric Association (APA) has almost finished redefining autism, along with all other mental disorders, in an overhaul of a hefty tome dubbed the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM)—the essential reference guide that clinicians use when evaluating their patients. The newest edition of the manual, the DSM-5, is slated for publication in May 2013. Psychiatrists and parents have voiced concerns that the new definition of autism in the DSM-5 will exclude many people from both a diagnosis and state services that depend on a diagnosis.

The devilish confusion is in the details. When the APA publishes the DSM-5, people who have already met the criteria for autism in the current DSM-IV will not suddenly lose their current diagnosis as some parents have feared, nor will they lose state services. But several studies recently published in child psychiatry journals suggest that it will be more difficult for new generations of high-functioning autistic people to receive a diagnosis because the DSM-5 criteria are too strict. Together, the studies conclude that the major changes to the definition of autism in the DSM-5 are well grounded in research and that the new criteria are more accurate than the current DSM-IV criteria. But in its efforts to make diagnosis more accurate, the APA may have raised the bar for autism a little too high, neglecting autistic people whose symptoms are not as severe as others. The studies also point out, however, that minor tweaks to the DSM-5 criteria would make a big difference, bringing autistic people with milder symptoms or sets of symptoms that differ from classic autism back into the spectrum

A new chapter
Autism is a disorder in which a child's brain does not develop typically, and neurons form connections in unusual ways. The major features of autism are impaired social interaction and communication—such as delayed language development, avoiding eye-contact and difficulty making friends—as well as restricted and repetitive behavior, such as repeatedly making the same sound or intense fascination with a particular toy.

The DSM-5 subsumes autistic disorder, Asperger's disorder, childhood disintegrative disorder, and pervasive developmental disorder not otherwise specified (PDD-NOS)—which are all distinct disorders in DSM-IV—into one category called autism spectrum disorder (ASD). The idea is that these conditions have such similar symptoms that they do not belong in separate categories, but instead fall on the same continuum.

Essentially, to qualify for a diagnosis of autistic disorder in DSM-IV, a patient must show at least six of 12 symptoms, which are divided into three groups: deficits in social interaction; deficits in communication; and repetitive and restricted behaviors and interests. In contrast, the DSM-5 divides seven symptoms of ASD into two main groups: deficits in social communication and social interaction; and restricted, repetitive behaviors and interests. (For a closer look at the changes, read the companion piece: "Autism Is Not a Math Problem". You can also compare DSM-IV and DSM-5 criteria for autism on the APA's Web site.)

The APA collapsed the social interaction and communication groups from DSM-IV into one group in the new edition because research in the last decade has shown that the symptoms in these groups almost always appear together. Research and clinical experience has also established that heightened or dulled sensitivity to sensory experiences is a core feature of autism, which is why it appears in DSM-5 but not in the preceding version. The psychiatric community has generally applauded these changes to the criteria for ASD.

What is in question is how many of the DSM-5 criteria a patient must meet to receive a diagnosis—too many and the manual excludes autistic people with fewer or milder symptoms; too few and it assigns autism to people who don't have it. Since the 1980s the prevalence of autism has dramatically increased worldwide, especially in the U.S. where the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates that nine per 1,000 children have been diagnosed with ASD. Many psychiatrists agree that the increase is at least partially explained by loose criteria in DSM-IV.

"If the DSM-IV criteria are taken too literally, anybody in the world could qualify for Asperger's or PDD-NOS," says Catherine Lord, one of the members of the APA's DSM-5 Development Neurodevelopmental Disorders Work Group. "The specificity is terrible. We need to make sure the criteria are not pulling in kids who do not have these disorders."

Relaxed requirements
Three studies published between last summer and this month conclude that the DSM-5 criteria for ASD are too strict, but that a few small changes would make them appropriately inclusive. One might think that the APA would conduct such research themselves, but studies that explicitly compare DSM-IV and DSM-5 criteria are not an official part of the revision process. Rather, researchers who are not helping revamp the DSM, but were interested in how the new edition will change psychiatric diagnosis, decided to find out for themselves.

Marja-Leena Mattila of the University of Oulu in Finland conducted the only epidemiological study published so far that explicitly compared the two editions' criteria for autism. (Mattila used DSM-5 criteria posted to the DSM-5 Development Web site in February 2010; the criteria have the same basic structure as the new specifications posted in January 2011, but they are far less detailed and descriptive.) In her study, Mattila surveyed a sample of more than 5,000 Finnish schoolchildren and identified 26 eight-year-olds with an IQ of 50 or higher who qualified for autistic disorder in the DSM-IV. Of those 26, only 12 qualified for ASD in the DSM-5. But when Mattila lowered the threshold for ASD by requiring only two of the three symptoms in the social interaction and communication group, 25 of the 26 children qualified for ASD in the both the DSM-5 and its predecessor. Her work appears in the June 2011 issue of the Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry.

Similarly, Thomas Frazier of the Center for Autism at the Cleveland Clinic performed a series of statistical analyses on symptom reports from nearly 7,000 ASD children, looking for the symptoms that appeared together most frequently. When he programmed a computer to figure out what kind of diagnostic model best reflected the naturally occurring clusters of symptoms, Frazier found that a model with two groups of symptoms—just like the one in the DSM-5—captured how the symptoms clustered in the children better than the DSM-IV or any other model. He also found that the DSM-5 model misdiagnosed autism in only 3 percent of the children, whereas the DSM-IV model misdiagnosed autism in 14 percent. When Frazier relaxed the DSM-5 requirements from five out of seven criteria to four out of seven, he brought back about 12 percent of ASD children that the model originally neglected.

William Mandy of University College London also used statistical analyses to evaluate the DSM-5 criteria and concluded that the two-group DSM-5 model is overall more accurate than the three-group DSM-IV model, but a little too restrictive. Both Frazier's study and Mandy's study are published this month in the Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry.

"They got the major changes right," Mandy says of the APA. "But recent evidence shows that borderline people might miss out on a diagnosis in DSM-5 because they don't have clinical levels of some symptoms, such as repetitive behavior. The real issue is threshold." Not all psychiatrists agree that the stricter DSM-5 criteria should be relaxed, because they think that many people currently diagnosed with Asperger's or PDD-NOS do not in fact have autism and that the new definition of ASD should not include these people. Some parents of children with severe autism are also in favor of stricter criteria, arguing that children who are most in need should receive state services over others with milder symptoms.

Darrel Regier, vice chair of the DSM-5 Task Force, says that he is well aware of the recent studies and that the committee will consider whether they need to revise the DSM-5 criteria for ASD even further. The APA is supposed to finalize all changes to the DSM this year and publish the new edition in May 2013. When asked if he thinks the APA can adjust the revisions to criteria not only for ASD, but for all the other disorders in the DSM-5 by the end of this year, Regier says "there is plenty of time."

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发表于 2012-4-19 23:22:07 | 只看该作者

re:[QUOTE][B]下面引用由[U]燕原...

下面引用由[U]燕原[/U]发表的内容:

美国贫富差距和中国有一拼?

也有可能啊,中国富人都移民了。


美国,中国, 印度 都是贫富差距很大的国家。 我感觉,印度〉中国=美国

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发表于 2012-4-19 22:44:36 | 只看该作者

re:[QUOTE][B]下面引用由[U]沉静...

下面引用由[U]沉静[/U]发表的内容:

其实一直期待谁能写个关于谱系概念的介绍,因为大多数人对自闭症的印象只是低功能典型自闭,所以不相信这个发病率。我说要接着科普的第二天写了一半,感觉力不从心,其中牵涉到对自闭谱系核心特征的认识过程是历史过...


一下是之前我写的关于谱系的一个帖子。供参考。



    目前,临床上是根据孩子在如下三个方面的表现来做出孤独症诊断的:

(1)在社会性交往方面存在本质性的缺损。比如在眼神对视、脸部表情和肢体语言等非语言交流方面存在明显的缺损;未能发展出适龄的伙伴关系;缺少自发的与人分享快乐、兴趣和成就的行为;缺少社会性或情感交互能力(比如,不会活跃地参加简单的社会性游戏,如过家家),喜欢独自活动。

(2)在语言交流方面存在本质性的缺损。比如语言发展迟缓,或者没有语言(并不会采用其他非语言的方式来弥补,如打手势);有语言但不能主动发起和维持对话;存在刻板、重复的语言使用现象。

(3)存在重复的、刻板的行为、兴趣和活动。比如以异乎寻常的强度和专注程度沉湎在局限的、刻板的兴趣中;僵化地遵循某些特定的、没有实际意义的刻板行为和仪式化行为;存在重复的、刻板的肢体怪癖行为(比如拍手、扭曲手指等)。

   孤独症患者一般在三岁之前,就会在社会性交往、语言能力、假想性游戏这三项中,至少出现一项发展迟缓或异常。

   简单地说,孤独症患者是在社会性交往能力、语言能力和刻板行为这三个方面,存在不同程度的缺损或异常。孤独症患者的表现是有多样性的,每个孩子的表现都不尽相同,他们未必在这三方面全部有缺损,且每个方面的缺损也程度不一。
   
   另外,孤独症通常也会伴随着其他发展障碍,包括范围运动障碍、语言障碍和认知障碍。同样地,这几个方面的表现也有较大的程度差异。比如运动障碍,可能是较轻微的肌肉协调困难,也可能是严重的运动障碍症。另外,不少孤独症患者存在不同程度的智力发展迟缓。

   因此,临床上就引入了一个孤独症谱系的概念,以表明这种疾病的表现不是单一的,而是有多样性的。每个孩子根据自身不同的程度,可能处于谱系中的不同位置。

   随着孩子自身的发展和干预训练的进行,孤独症患者在各方面的表现也会呈现出一个动态的改善过程,因此家长没有必要为孩子当下的表现过于烦恼,只要干预训练得当、有针对性、并注意及时调整干预策略和方法,相信孩子都会有不同程度的改善。这样的例子比比皆是。孩子目前处于谱系的什么位置,是所谓的高功能还是低功能,这些标签并无太大的意义。有意义的是对孩子在各领域的表现做更具体的特征评估,并据此制定干预计划。


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发表于 2012-4-19 22:44:10 | 只看该作者

re:对了,应当@壹基金@作家出版社。 我...

对了,应当@壹基金@作家出版社。
我再转一遍。
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发表于 2012-4-19 22:42:10 | 只看该作者

re:[QUOTE][B]下面引用由[U]燕原...

下面引用由[U]燕原[/U]发表的内容:

T版为啥不给@姚晨和舒淇呢,还有苍老师。


我 @ 给了马伊琍和文章同学,还有一群搞科普的。其中有些已经转发了。
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发表于 2012-4-19 22:32:24 | 只看该作者

re:[QUOTE][B]下面引用由[U]秋爸...

下面引用由[U]秋爸爸[/U]发表的内容:

我要火了,被苗师傅点名并转发了照片!一时我都不知道是不是该评论再转发呢。
先下线,冷静冷静。


这二张照片好。

很阳光。
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发表于 2012-4-19 21:43:55 | 只看该作者

re:呵呵,秋爸爸是明星,照片再ps一下更好了...

呵呵,秋爸爸是明星,照片再ps一下更好了----不要香烟,要不人家问抽烟会不会导致自闭症?
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发表于 2012-4-19 21:23:48 | 只看该作者

re:T版为啥不给@姚晨和舒淇呢,还有苍老师。...

T版为啥不给@姚晨和舒淇呢,还有苍老师。



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发表于 2012-4-19 21:16:25 | 只看该作者

re:我要火了,被苗师傅点名并转发了照片!一时...

我要火了,被苗师傅点名并转发了照片!一时我都不知道是不是该评论再转发呢。
先下线,冷静冷静。
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发表于 2012-4-19 21:14:41 | 只看该作者

re:上个一家四口的背影那张,或者秋爸爸带孩子...

上个一家四口的背影那张,或者秋爸爸带孩子玩的。

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发表于 2012-4-19 21:09:15 | 只看该作者

re:所以要先上帅哥照片?

所以要先上帅哥照片?



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发表于 2012-4-19 21:03:47 | 只看该作者

re:咱们圈内人当然知道这是无稽之谈,但是这种...

咱们圈内人当然知道这是无稽之谈,但是这种言论和尹的调调一样,对不了解的圈外人来说,是相当有说服力的。

今天我还看到一个自称是AS,貌似学特殊教育的女孩子出来帮尹说话,我真是服气了。

尹的新微薄:
某人身上有个优点,你对他说“我感觉你没有”;另一个某人身上有个缺点,你同样对他说“我感觉你没有”。哪个人会生气跳起来说你诬蔑他呢?哪个人会竭力证明你说错了呢?为什么? 这是一道出给幼儿园小朋友的思考题,成年人也可以想一想。
我的回复:科学打破偏见:这个题目最大的逻辑错误,在于把判断是否“生气”归因为“优点还是缺点”。但是作为一个成年人,即使是幼儿园小朋友,正确的思考方向都应该是“哪一个是事实”,这才是正确价值取向的教育。

但是大部分回帖人的焦点,还是集中在“优点缺点”上。秋帅要面对的,应该大部分都是这类人,所以。。。。
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发表于 2012-4-19 20:56:10 | 只看该作者

re:她水军还经常说,你们都是开机构的吧,忽悠...

她水军还经常说,你们都是开机构的吧,忽悠孩子多了好挣钱。

真是什么人想什么。

亏得她们不知道啥叫生物疗法。如果真误诊了,家长打干细胞,那孩子就惨了。



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发表于 2012-4-19 20:55:09 | 只看该作者

re:换句话说,秋帅现在最需要注意的:不是怎么...

换句话说,秋帅现在最需要注意的:不是怎么科普(有素养在不用怕),而是不要中圈套。
从天涯和微博这几天的走向来看,临时工越来越活跃。。务必谨慎。

我NT的阴暗了。。一边面壁去。
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发表于 2012-4-19 20:51:06 | 只看该作者

re:燕原,你的AS特质出来了。我可以保证,提...

燕原,你的AS特质出来了。我可以保证,提问的人里面绝对会有尹的人。
所以,必须分析当下对她最有利的东西是哪些,他们肯定会在这上面做文章。我强烈的直觉是:误诊~~嘿嘿
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