以琳自闭症论坛

 找回密码
 注册 (请写明注册原因,12小时内通过审核)
楼主: 江安
打印 上一主题 下一主题

尹建莉,请尊重自闭症家长

[复制链接]
1#
发表于 2012-4-13 14:54:44 | 显示全部楼层

re:我觉得尹建莉事件是主客观两个方面引起的。...

我觉得尹建莉事件是主客观两个方面引起的。

主观上,她缺乏对特殊孩子,发育不足的孩子的爱心,特别是对自闭症孩子。对于存在的事物没有一个客观的认识,也没有起码的对他人的尊重。最主要,还是骄傲和缺乏爱心,自以为是。

客观上,自闭症谱系的扩大化,自闭症谱系同自闭症的概念混淆,也就是日常生活中,专业工作者和家长有意无意混淆这两个概念,也造成了一些问题。或者说给了尹建莉这种人土壤。她才敢说出下面这些话。

“数字有些烦,但数字确实能说明问题,我们一起做一个简单的算术题吧。就按1%的发生率来算,一所200人的幼儿园平均有2个自闭儿,一所2000人的小学平均有20名自闭儿——大家都是有生活常识的人,是这样的吗?”

目前来看,一些智力障碍,智力边缘,心理疾病的孩子,也被家长甚至是专业人士放到了自闭症谱系,进而引起概念的混淆。一个方向的极端,引起了某些人向另外一个方向的极端。

我的建议,应该统称这些孩子为发育障碍。典型自闭症还是自闭症,其他的,智力障碍,智力边缘,智力发育落后,心理疾病,就还是原来的名字。目前自闭症的标签有些乱贴了。
回复

使用道具 举报

2#
发表于 2012-4-13 15:01:18 | 显示全部楼层

re:人一旦到了那个位置,不免会自以为是,特别...

人一旦到了那个位置,不免会自以为是,特别是本来知识面就不丰富,科学素质和人文素质都不高的人,所以我感觉她的整体认知新事物的能力应当低于一般民众,民众应当比她好教育。
咱们姑且善良地认为,她不是有意想伤害,而的确是通过强大的直觉,想提醒她的读者不要伤害孩子,她想勇敢对抗的是西方科学,医学专家,联合国等等在小民心目中的强权组织。这和中国底层民众的心态是吻合的,和韩寒讨好大众的手法类似。
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
这段话我不能完全苟同。尹建莉确实有很严重的问题,但是也要看到,目前一些对自闭症谱系不合理的定义,或者说应用,以及谱系和典型自闭症的混淆,确实造成了问题。西方科学,医学专家也认识到了这个问题,并且正在修改,使其更为合理。

目前的谱系定义和概念混淆,给了尹建莉这一类人以机会和土壤.

另外,我觉得尹建莉在教育上本来还是有两下的,最起码对于普通孩子,但是她过度骄狂了,已经丧失了理智,同时这个人没有真正的爱心。




回复

使用道具 举报

3#
发表于 2012-4-13 15:02:29 | 显示全部楼层

美医学界重新定义自闭症




美国中文网报道,《纽约时报》称,美国医学界正尝试制定新的自闭症定义,预料到时过半数病人将被“脱帽”,届时其健保、教育和社会服务等各项福利都会受影响。关注团体表示,医护界有必要清楚界定自闭症,但也要衡量对病人及其家庭的需要。

    报道称,美国精神病学会的专家小组现在正检讨自闭症的定义,届时定出的《精神失调诊断及数据手册》将对自闭症病人有深远影响,不论医学研究、治疗以至保险公司是否接受患者投保,都会以此为依据。专家小组在19日的业界会议上,公开了《手册》初稿,当中对诊断自闭症有新的定义,如亚斯伯格综合症等症状将被除名。负责撰写分析报告的耶鲁医学院儿童研究中心主任沃克玛说,按照原有定义的话,患病儿童的比例会相当高,在某些地区平均每100人就有1人患病,修改定义正是要防止情况泛滥。

    率领专家小组检讨自闭症定义的古佛尔教授补充说,《手册》部分内容会引发争议,相信12月完成最终版本时,当中部分地方会修改。

    报道称,目前全美至少100万人经诊断患有自闭症或相关症状,当中除了亚斯伯格综合症外,还包括定义宽松的广泛性发展障碍。两者虽然未符合自闭症的标准,但患者同样在社交生活上有障碍。在新指引中,医护界将取消亚斯伯格综合症和广泛性发展障碍两个类别,与自闭症统称为“自闭症光谱”,估计只有45%患者符合新资格。

    有家长表示,女儿患的是亚斯伯格综合症,从小得到医疗援助,现在也领取伤残津贴,家中更打算替女儿申请照顾诊所,但医护界一旦修改指引,情况就难以预料。也有自闭症权益组织说,目前有些治疗,纯粹视诊断结果而决定病人是否能受惠,相反也有一些治疗,会综合患者智商、年龄和病例等因素,医护界清楚界定自闭症是好事,但要仔细衡量对病人的影响。


回复

使用道具 举报

4#
发表于 2012-4-13 15:04:44 | 显示全部楼层

转贴 ----“假性”孤独症

我不忍心给孤独症孩子戴帽子,而乐于给他们摘帽子。今天遇到两名“孤独症”患儿,我认为他们其实不是孤独症。

一名是22月龄的男孩,长得虎头虎脑。他的主要问题是不会说话,但能理解大人的话。他有很好的目光接触,我跟他开玩笑,他会侧过头去、害羞地窃笑。我跟家长说话的时候,他睁大眼睛好奇地关注我们。他对物体也很感兴趣,他高举右手指向空调,眼睛却看着我们,好象要告诉我们什么。

据家长说,他很喜欢跟小孩子玩。他和父母的关系也比较密切。父亲出差的时候,他会想念,嘴里念叨“爸爸”。如果三四天不见爸爸,他会慢慢忘记。他有很强的记忆力,吃了一半的零食,过了好几天还会想起来。由于表达困难,许多事情他会自己想办法去做,实在做不了,他会向父母示意。我特地询问,他是用别人的手去拿还是用手指指示?家长说是用手指指示。如果有很多东西摆在一起,家长就问他要哪一个,报对了名称,他就点头。

他喜欢看电视,虽然也喜欢广告,但更喜欢儿童剧。他会一边看一边学着做动作,跟着节拍跳舞,还会唱歌。学歌的速度很快,听一两遍就会唱,但发音不太准。

我认为他是表达性言语发育障碍,可能跟环境有关。他一半时间跟爷爷奶奶,一半时间跟父母。父母工作比较忙,陪他的时间不多。除了工作以外,父母对孩子的关注度和敏感性都是不够的。在诊疗过程中,孩子一手把母亲往外拉,一手悟着裤挡,我说他是不是想小便了?母亲说不会的,刚刚小便过了。话音刚落,他就蹲下来撒了一泡尿。如果家长敏感一点,这泡尿就能把住,他就能很快学会控制小便。

我建议父母多带孩子出去玩,早点去幼儿园(小小班),多跟他说话,给他讲故事,多跟他做游戏,加强大小便训练。

另一名是4岁半的女孩,主要问题是口齿不清、好动、不服管教。她非常好动,整个诊疗过程中不停地动,跑来跑去,爬上爬下,还不停地说话,甚至尖叫,发音含糊,父母也听不懂。父母认为她缺少目光交流,但是我发现她能够跟我对视。我跟她开玩笑,她非常有兴趣,只是兴趣保持时间比较短,很快就玩别的去了。

口齿不清非常明显,所以不知道她在说什么。可能有模仿语言,偶尔也会蹦出一句与情景无关的话,可能是延迟模仿,但不确定。

父亲认为,她对语言的理解能力并不比表达能力强,应该是理解性言语发育障碍,也可能是弱智。

其实,她的表达能力并不是很差,要什么东西都能说出来,而且能够分清“你我他”。我问她“你叫什么名字?”她说“×××”。过了一会儿,我问“×××是谁?”她说“是我”。家长说,叫她的名字她总是不搭理,我觉得这是注意力不集中的表现。

她做过残疾鉴定,被定为“轻度弱智伴孤独症”,正在某机构训练,已经看出效果。如果机械地对照诊断标准,她也许是达到了。但是,她的全部症状完全可以用多动症(注意缺陷多动障碍)和轻度弱智以及理解性言语发育障碍来解释。所以,尽管她符合孤独症的诊断标准,但核心症状并不明显,不应该下这个诊断。

据家长反映,她一周岁前发育很正常,后来经常感冒发烧,有过多次高热惊厥,以后就出现异常了。她做过磁共振,脑中有一个小囊肿。这些可以解释多动症和弱智。对于象她这样严重的多动症,感觉统合训练是非常必要的。至于轻度弱智,最好的方法就是特殊教育。另外,她还需要言语训练。总之,虽然不是孤独症,但训练方法跟孤独症差不多。
回复

使用道具 举报

5#
发表于 2012-4-14 02:47:14 | 显示全部楼层

re:[QUOTE][B]下面引用由[U]燕原...

下面引用由[U]燕原[/U]发表的内容:

自闭症这个标签现在在更大意义上是个社会学标签,而不是医学标签。
医学标签要等待科学家的研究,所以2013的ASD谱系概念,应当是一个等待的概念。

但不能等待的是社会意识,社会服务,国家政策和福...


作为发展中国家,我们应该学习人家的社会福利,尊重,等等。当然了,也没有必要把人家当天堂,其实美国也是华尔街控制的,而且贫富差距和中国有一拼。

不过我个人认为自闭症是一个医学标签,现在过度的社会化,才导致了尹建莉这样的问题。尹的角度是很偏激的,因为自己在某个领域的成功,而狂妄并且不尊重自己没有看到的东西。

但是我相信,美国的科学家和医学家取消阿斯伯格,缩短自闭症谱系的定义,除了社会因素,也是有其科学考虑。
回复

使用道具 举报

6#
发表于 2012-4-19 23:22:07 | 显示全部楼层

re:[QUOTE][B]下面引用由[U]燕原...

下面引用由[U]燕原[/U]发表的内容:

美国贫富差距和中国有一拼?

也有可能啊,中国富人都移民了。


美国,中国, 印度 都是贫富差距很大的国家。 我感觉,印度〉中国=美国

回复

使用道具 举报

7#
发表于 2012-4-19 23:33:52 | 显示全部楼层

re:[ALIGN=center][size=...

Redefining Autism: Will New DSM-5 Criteria for ASD Exclude Some People? [/ALIGN]
Experts call for small and easy changes to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual, the "bible" of psychiatry, so that everyone with autism spectrum disorder qualifies for a diagnosis

People have been arguing about autism for a long time—about what causes it, how to treat it and whether it qualifies as a mental disorder. The controversial idea that childhood vaccines trigger autism also persists, despite the fact that study after study has failed to find any evidence of such a link. Now, psychiatrists and members of the autistic community are embroiled in a more legitimate kerfuffle that centers on the definition of autism and how clinicians diagnose the disorder. The debate is not pointless semantics. In many cases, the type and number of symptoms clinicians look for when diagnosing autism determines how easy or difficult it is for autistic people to access medical, social and educational services.

The controversy remains front and center because the American Psychiatric Association (APA) has almost finished redefining autism, along with all other mental disorders, in an overhaul of a hefty tome dubbed the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM)—the essential reference guide that clinicians use when evaluating their patients. The newest edition of the manual, the DSM-5, is slated for publication in May 2013. Psychiatrists and parents have voiced concerns that the new definition of autism in the DSM-5 will exclude many people from both a diagnosis and state services that depend on a diagnosis.

The devilish confusion is in the details. When the APA publishes the DSM-5, people who have already met the criteria for autism in the current DSM-IV will not suddenly lose their current diagnosis as some parents have feared, nor will they lose state services. But several studies recently published in child psychiatry journals suggest that it will be more difficult for new generations of high-functioning autistic people to receive a diagnosis because the DSM-5 criteria are too strict. Together, the studies conclude that the major changes to the definition of autism in the DSM-5 are well grounded in research and that the new criteria are more accurate than the current DSM-IV criteria. But in its efforts to make diagnosis more accurate, the APA may have raised the bar for autism a little too high, neglecting autistic people whose symptoms are not as severe as others. The studies also point out, however, that minor tweaks to the DSM-5 criteria would make a big difference, bringing autistic people with milder symptoms or sets of symptoms that differ from classic autism back into the spectrum

A new chapter
Autism is a disorder in which a child's brain does not develop typically, and neurons form connections in unusual ways. The major features of autism are impaired social interaction and communication—such as delayed language development, avoiding eye-contact and difficulty making friends—as well as restricted and repetitive behavior, such as repeatedly making the same sound or intense fascination with a particular toy.

The DSM-5 subsumes autistic disorder, Asperger's disorder, childhood disintegrative disorder, and pervasive developmental disorder not otherwise specified (PDD-NOS)—which are all distinct disorders in DSM-IV—into one category called autism spectrum disorder (ASD). The idea is that these conditions have such similar symptoms that they do not belong in separate categories, but instead fall on the same continuum.

Essentially, to qualify for a diagnosis of autistic disorder in DSM-IV, a patient must show at least six of 12 symptoms, which are divided into three groups: deficits in social interaction; deficits in communication; and repetitive and restricted behaviors and interests. In contrast, the DSM-5 divides seven symptoms of ASD into two main groups: deficits in social communication and social interaction; and restricted, repetitive behaviors and interests. (For a closer look at the changes, read the companion piece: "Autism Is Not a Math Problem". You can also compare DSM-IV and DSM-5 criteria for autism on the APA's Web site.)

The APA collapsed the social interaction and communication groups from DSM-IV into one group in the new edition because research in the last decade has shown that the symptoms in these groups almost always appear together. Research and clinical experience has also established that heightened or dulled sensitivity to sensory experiences is a core feature of autism, which is why it appears in DSM-5 but not in the preceding version. The psychiatric community has generally applauded these changes to the criteria for ASD.

What is in question is how many of the DSM-5 criteria a patient must meet to receive a diagnosis—too many and the manual excludes autistic people with fewer or milder symptoms; too few and it assigns autism to people who don't have it. Since the 1980s the prevalence of autism has dramatically increased worldwide, especially in the U.S. where the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates that nine per 1,000 children have been diagnosed with ASD. Many psychiatrists agree that the increase is at least partially explained by loose criteria in DSM-IV.

"If the DSM-IV criteria are taken too literally, anybody in the world could qualify for Asperger's or PDD-NOS," says Catherine Lord, one of the members of the APA's DSM-5 Development Neurodevelopmental Disorders Work Group. "The specificity is terrible. We need to make sure the criteria are not pulling in kids who do not have these disorders."

Relaxed requirements
Three studies published between last summer and this month conclude that the DSM-5 criteria for ASD are too strict, but that a few small changes would make them appropriately inclusive. One might think that the APA would conduct such research themselves, but studies that explicitly compare DSM-IV and DSM-5 criteria are not an official part of the revision process. Rather, researchers who are not helping revamp the DSM, but were interested in how the new edition will change psychiatric diagnosis, decided to find out for themselves.

Marja-Leena Mattila of the University of Oulu in Finland conducted the only epidemiological study published so far that explicitly compared the two editions' criteria for autism. (Mattila used DSM-5 criteria posted to the DSM-5 Development Web site in February 2010; the criteria have the same basic structure as the new specifications posted in January 2011, but they are far less detailed and descriptive.) In her study, Mattila surveyed a sample of more than 5,000 Finnish schoolchildren and identified 26 eight-year-olds with an IQ of 50 or higher who qualified for autistic disorder in the DSM-IV. Of those 26, only 12 qualified for ASD in the DSM-5. But when Mattila lowered the threshold for ASD by requiring only two of the three symptoms in the social interaction and communication group, 25 of the 26 children qualified for ASD in the both the DSM-5 and its predecessor. Her work appears in the June 2011 issue of the Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry.

Similarly, Thomas Frazier of the Center for Autism at the Cleveland Clinic performed a series of statistical analyses on symptom reports from nearly 7,000 ASD children, looking for the symptoms that appeared together most frequently. When he programmed a computer to figure out what kind of diagnostic model best reflected the naturally occurring clusters of symptoms, Frazier found that a model with two groups of symptoms—just like the one in the DSM-5—captured how the symptoms clustered in the children better than the DSM-IV or any other model. He also found that the DSM-5 model misdiagnosed autism in only 3 percent of the children, whereas the DSM-IV model misdiagnosed autism in 14 percent. When Frazier relaxed the DSM-5 requirements from five out of seven criteria to four out of seven, he brought back about 12 percent of ASD children that the model originally neglected.

William Mandy of University College London also used statistical analyses to evaluate the DSM-5 criteria and concluded that the two-group DSM-5 model is overall more accurate than the three-group DSM-IV model, but a little too restrictive. Both Frazier's study and Mandy's study are published this month in the Journal of the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry.

"They got the major changes right," Mandy says of the APA. "But recent evidence shows that borderline people might miss out on a diagnosis in DSM-5 because they don't have clinical levels of some symptoms, such as repetitive behavior. The real issue is threshold." Not all psychiatrists agree that the stricter DSM-5 criteria should be relaxed, because they think that many people currently diagnosed with Asperger's or PDD-NOS do not in fact have autism and that the new definition of ASD should not include these people. Some parents of children with severe autism are also in favor of stricter criteria, arguing that children who are most in need should receive state services over others with milder symptoms.

Darrel Regier, vice chair of the DSM-5 Task Force, says that he is well aware of the recent studies and that the committee will consider whether they need to revise the DSM-5 criteria for ASD even further. The APA is supposed to finalize all changes to the DSM this year and publish the new edition in May 2013. When asked if he thinks the APA can adjust the revisions to criteria not only for ASD, but for all the other disorders in the DSM-5 by the end of this year, Regier says "there is plenty of time."

回复

使用道具 举报

8#
发表于 2012-4-19 23:37:02 | 显示全部楼层

re:尹某让人恶心,缺乏对特殊孩子和他们家长的...

尹某让人恶心,缺乏对特殊孩子和他们家长的一点点同情和尊重。不过,就自闭症的谱系扩大化和过度诊断,她也有一定道理。

"If the DSM-IV criteria are taken too literally, anybody in the world could qualify for Asperger's or PDD-NOS," says Catherine Lord, one of the members of the APA's DSM-5 Development Neurodevelopmental Disorders Work Group. "The specificity is terrible. We need to make sure the criteria are not pulling in kids who do not have these disorders."

这话和尹关于自闭症过度诊断,标签乱贴,那一段还是有点类似的。当然了,尹由此走上了另一个极端,否认自闭症的事实,否认对孩子和家长的关爱。
回复

使用道具 举报

9#
发表于 2012-4-19 23:47:00 | 显示全部楼层

re:[QUOTE][B]下面引用由[U]燕原...

下面引用由[U]燕原[/U]发表的内容:


别感觉啊,基尼系数是有数据的。

美国贫富差距最大的根源是非法移民。
当然富人也很多,不过钱这个东西,到了一定程度就是数字了,所以太有钱的人,其实可以忽略。

印度的基尼系数低于美国,中...


印度的贫富差距应该比中国大吧。就我的了解?

算了,反正也不是社会论坛。
回复

使用道具 举报

本版积分规则

小黑屋|手机版|Archiver|以琳自闭症论坛

GMT+8, 2024-5-6 20:35

Powered by Discuz! X3.2

© 2001-2013 Comsenz Inc.

快速回复 返回顶部 返回列表