请教排重金属铊的方法

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最近的尿液检测铊高，高于汞和铅。请教一下排铊的方法，不知道DMSA能否排除，请了解的人多指教，谢谢。

honghong18

不知讲的是否同一人.我记得那女生也是26岁,13开始学打字.现在一公寓半独立生活,有一助手帮她.她还写了一剧本.

pengxc

我没有看“TIME”的介绍。CNN的电视节目讲的是她的现状，她26岁，发育迟缓，个子只有普通人一半高，在上College，主修历史。我可以肯定，学校完全是照顾她，让她成为一名学生。比起正常学生，她学习要困难很多。她甚至无法说话，但她可以把自己的话输入一个发音电子字典，让别人明白。她在课堂上很难集中精力，因为有多动症。如果她某一天能毕业，也是学校的照顾。显然，她难以自立。但美国社会给了她许多关怀和容忍。

我想，在美国9岁的孩子可以上一年级，但必须找一个愿意接受的学校。

honghong18

pengx:
我记得以前的一期"Times"介绍过她."doing her high school homework",片子里有没有讲她几岁上学?上什么学?我很想知道,自闭症孩子可以上低年级的班吗?比如9岁上一年级?

pengxc

电饭煲我用的塑料的，放在微波炉里做饭。用金属球洗金属炊具不安全，因为会掉下许多金属粉末。

目前来看，生物排毒有效，但有限。大概30%明显进步，30%中等进步，30-40%轻度进步或无效。年龄越小，效果越好。

昨天美国CNN电视播放一个自闭症的节目，关于一个26岁女孩的故事。节目认为她不可能痊愈，能做的最多是学会生存。择录部份内容如下：

Changing relationships within the family
By Rita Rubin
Mother of Sue Rubin

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Sue's relationships to me, my husband Bob, and our son Gary -- two years her senior -- were abnormal from birth. Immediately after birth, Sue was transferred to Los Angeles so a pediatric cardiologist could monitor a murmur. It turned out to be nothing, but I overheard a nurse saying, "Something is wrong with that Rubin baby. She just doesn't look right." How right she was.

As an infant, Sue didn't make eye contact or respond to us. When she cried, she screamed for hours. Nothing would console her -- not walking, rocking, nursing, singing -- nothing. When she got older, she never held on to us with arms or legs; it was like holding a sack of potatoes. All infants require a lot of work, but in exchange a parent gets some response. With Sue it was one way. We gave and she took, giving nothing in return.

We knew something was very wrong with her. She fell further and further behind. Her pediatrician finally acknowledged her delay when she was 9 months old, but didn't know the cause. He rejected my diagnosis of autism.

Sue's only method of communication was crying. After she finally started walking at 36 months, she would take my hand and put in on whatever she wanted. Still, she was not responding to us. We were just there to serve her and she didn't distinguish between us as parents and any strangers who might give her what she wanted.

Sue was not a playmate for Gary. They never attended the same school throughout their public school careers. She never interacted with the other children in her weekly play groups.

The next 13 years of Sue's life continued in the same vein. We were caregivers for Sue. We never told Gary to watch her, but he realized as soon as Sue could walk that she had to be continuously monitored. He could never leave toys around without her destroying them. She had no concept of danger so we had a complicated system of locks and no one ever forgot to lock up. Despite horrendous behaviors such as head banging, biting and screaming, we lived a "normal" life: camping, inviting friends to dinner, etc. We included Sue in everything and just lived with her behaviors and frequent illnesses.

An enormous change occurred when Sue began typing at 13. After a few weeks she could answer my questions. Three months later, she actually initiated communication, verbalizing "work on computer" and typing "telephone Gary" when he had gone out with friends. She began to tell us what she wanted to do and with whom, what was bothering her when she was sick and what she thought about all sorts of things. She still needed watching and was still very aggressive and self-abusive, but she became a contributing member of the household. Her receptive language went from nearly nonexistent to almost normal. Gary's relationship with her changed. He became more of a sibling than another parent, and could spar with her intellectually. Instead of her always being an embarrassment, there was a nugget of respect now.

Sue and I became extremely close because we spent so much time typing together ?over three hours every school night and one weekend day -- doing her high school homework. While doing her homework, she would often slip in personal communications, starting a sentence with, "ask me about?" to introduce a subject. Sue now participated in family discussions and decisions and truly became an individual with opinions on every topic imaginable. She also gained Bob's respect. He often was her facilitator for math and proudly pronounced that she was better at math than Gary. While doing homework together, he spent more time with her and got to know the "new Sue."

Now that Sue is in supported living, our relationship has again changed. She has her own life and her friends, but is not as distant from us as a nondisabled adult child might be. She spends Friday night and Saturday with us, and still requires help with grooming, dressing, etc. However, our relationship no longer is caregiver/care receiver. We spend a lot of time just "talking" like any mother and daughter.

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铊显然是高了，但估计还是慢性中毒，已经很长时间了，不必惊慌。继续排毒1-2个月，再复查一次。每次检查的结果可有较大差异。如果你的尿检是在中国做的，最好下次在国外做。家里的金属炊具如果太老，换换新的，安...

谢谢pengxc！
家里的金属炊具我都换成不锈钢的了，只有电饭煲用的不知道是什么材料，是一种不粘的可用金属球刷的，不知道安全不安全。

另外尿检是在Tim那做的。一共做了三次尿检，第一次挑战测试吃了一粒DMSA，结果重金属都不是太高，第二次吃了三天，每天四粒DMSA发现铅很高，但铊不高，排了三个月再检测铅量下降，反而铊又高了。现在Tim让再排三个月。

开始在高扬扬那里检查，后转到Tim那里，生物疗法也用了一年多了，还没有发现什么变化，不过还在继续做，也没有别的方法了，训练也是一直在坚持。

pengxc

铊显然是高了，但估计还是慢性中毒，已经很长时间了，不必惊慌。继续排毒1-2个月，再复查一次。每次检查的结果可有较大差异。如果你的尿检是在中国做的，最好下次在国外做。家里的金属炊具如果太老，换换新的，安全的。

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您好．我是个新手．我想请问一下＂普鲁士蓝　＂是什么样的药品呢？　

普鲁士蓝是一种染料，可以用来上釉和做油画染料。氰化铁合亚铁。

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你的铊有多高？超过正常范围了吗？如果在正常范围以下，不必惊慌，因为许多人体内多少会有一些。如果超过正常范围，当然不容忽视。为了确认，可以再复查一次。

铊超过正常范围最高值2倍多。不知道是否到中毒量。

风风信子

您好．我是个新手．我想请问一下＂普鲁士蓝　＂是什么样的药品呢？　

pengxc

你的铊有多高？超过正常范围了吗？如果在正常范围以下，不必惊慌，因为许多人体内多少会有一些。如果超过正常范围，当然不容忽视。为了确认，可以再复查一次。

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我想你的尿液检查是服用DMSA后做的，然后结果显示铊高，这就说明DMSA可以排铊。如果不服药，检查结果可能什么也没有。

多谢你的回复！
没错，是服用一段时间DMSA后做的检查，但就是不知道只用DMSA可不可以。查了一下铊中毒的后果就非常着急，真想不明白怎么会铊高呢。

pengxc

我想你的尿液检查是服用DMSA后做的，然后结果显示铊高，这就说明DMSA可以排铊。如果不服药，检查结果可能什么也没有。

aridus

这我不清楚。

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多谢“aridus”

我也看了朱令的报道，但因为我一直在Tim那里看，他给我还是用DMSA排，我就不知道铊中毒到什么程度需要用普鲁士蓝，DMSA是否也可以排得干净？

aridus

排铊有特效药，为普鲁士蓝。医生应该知道的。上次北大清华的学生被同学下毒就是用的这个排除的。排得早的好了，就朱令因为误诊而排得晚，留下严重后遗症。